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pfly
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Posted: 14 October 2014 at 9:13am |
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Throat has ratio of 2.5:1, only thing I'm worried is how big cone will hold up. Carbon fiber reinforced cones should be able to hold it.
Other than that, it should work as a horn in general, next step would be prototype. |
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tv00
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Posted: 04 January 2015 at 12:02am |
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Cone Material:
No pressed pulp carbon fiber reinforced
Max. linear excursion (mathematical): 15 mm BL Factor: 39 T · m So what's wrong with LF21N551? Do you only want PD? I just tried lf18x451 in a superscoop, it's crazy i tell you! Edited by tv00 - 04 January 2015 at 12:03am |
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Posted: 04 January 2015 at 2:30am |
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pfly I have 2 PD2150's here in the US new in box, and have some spare plywood I can test it in? Would you be willing to share the plans? The only thing that concerns me is, has anyone calculated the pressure on the cone at Xmax at a given power? I know corny question, I'm not horn response savvy as well as understanding the folds. May use 18Sound 21NLW9001 in the future if someone can calculate the rear chamber to accommodate the 18Sound,thanks!
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corell
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Posted: 04 January 2015 at 2:52am |
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i have a symmetrical 21" horn design with magnet in horn available, 140x 70 x 90 cm, 35 hz horncutoff.
PN me if you have a serious interest in building them... |
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pfly
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Posted: 04 January 2015 at 3:48am |
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Sketchup file where anyone can find all needed measurements and angles can be found in my post on second page. Not too hard to use the measurement tool and protractor in that free software
I'd be delighted to have some real world feedback on this design. tv00 feel free to use whatever good quality, strong motored driver you want. Quickie modelling on the RCF gives roughly same results as PD.2150. |
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tv00
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Posted: 04 January 2015 at 10:22am |
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Nice will u post it?
The rcf is not as heavy, I used to have 2 pcs pd.2150 too, but they're gone now. It's good to try new brands in new situations, for instance I found that the new fane 15xs & 12xb sims very well in tapped horns. Apart from cyclops I didn't see much of that. I'm going to try that soon. |
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Posted: 08 June 2015 at 9:08pm |
so which would be better in this cab the PD2150 or http://images4.static-thomann.de/pics/atg/atgdata/document/specs/234685_234684.pdf I think it's time we tested it.
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Posted: 09 June 2015 at 4:56pm |
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Hi, Please post plans and I will make one and try it out. Thanx, VECTORDJ
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Posted: 09 June 2015 at 6:28pm |
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Posted: 11 June 2015 at 12:39am |
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I just remembered when I started messing around with this idea, the original thought was to take WSX style folding and scale it up with roughly 1220x1220mm side panel surface to make most use of full sheet. I wanted to use letterbox styled throat as in certain way I see it as the purest form of horn loaded bass enclosures. Because 21" driver and somewhat large size, I thought it should go as low as reasonably possible. After fooling around with WSX style folding I decided to approximate other folding schemes. In my eyes, "S folding" will give longer horn as WSX-styled folding and also it has added benefit of having slightly straighter horn path with the first fold being not quite as steep. "C fold" is quite clean and nice design, but for given box size it will almost always give slightly shorter horn than "S fold" will.
So in the end the thing ended up looking like 1850/186 horn on steroids with Martin Audio inspired throat. I quite hope someone would have time to see if it is worth something. Even with horn mouth this big I'd estimate that having six of these in single stack would give mouth area big enough to support wavelengths getting closer to 30Hz. I always tend to say that as a rule of thumb with horn subs, you need four two man liftable boxes to have big enough mouth to do the job properly. With horn lengths between 1.6 to 2.2 meters or so, it tends to be like that. With proper 30-35hz horns I think number is preferably six, although with four the results are usually more than satisfactory. Edited by pfly - 11 June 2015 at 8:44am |
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corell
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Posted: 11 June 2015 at 1:32am |
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i would support that numbers.
40hz cutoff -> 4 "normal mouth size" FLH (~25.000 cm²) 30hz cutoff -> 6 "normal mouth size" FLH (~35.000 cm²) |
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tv00
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Posted: 13 July 2015 at 6:17pm |
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Let me know if you build one Francis!
I have a 21sw1600ND and a friend has two 2150s if you want to test:-) Look at the rcf lf21n551, impressive specs & nice price at teamaudio and around, 18sound is brutal, but more expensive. |
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