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    Posted: 03 March 2013 at 6:10pm
can you recommend me something maybe?
got sure amps at the moment thinking about some upgrade for coming season :)
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The selection of viable 24V amp is severely limited due to there not being many chips/chipsets to choose from.

On paper there's tons of chips that work up to 24V. However, on batteries what we're really after is amps that can tolerate at least 27V and run 4 ohms speakers which means they must be capable of delivering at least 4A per channel as well.

That actually only leaves TK2050 chipsets, and the TAA4100A chip. Both from Tripath. The first is well know although it must be stressed that other designers of TK2050 amps than Sure use the TC2000 controller with far more capable output drivers than Tripath's own TP2050. Ones that tolerate far higher voltages (up to 40V) and higher currents (up to 6A).

In any TK2050 based amp it must be stressed that the current output of 6A can only be gained if the output driver chips are used in mono mode. As the chip package simply cannot handle more current than 6A.

The TAA4100A is the chip used in the amp9. I regard it as the most suitable chip of all for this purpose. Tolerates 27V under load, and up to 10A. The 10A rating makes this 4 channel amp a shoe-in companion for use with a miniDSP. I my opinion it also surpasses TK2050 amps in sound quality.

The TDA7498 chip which is also used in some 24V Sure amps, are not suited for 4 ohm. Remember the I said the chip package limitation of 6A above for TK2050 output driver chip package. This is the same package so it's completely out of the question to use it with 4 ohm spakers.

There are a couple brand new chips that look interesting that have just come out from NXP (formerly Philips) but they have not been used in any design yet.



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CELTIC SUBSONIC SOUND SYSTEMS
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote amlu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 March 2013 at 7:50pm
that second link looks quality.
looked what else they having...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAIR-MKII-STA508-Tripath-100W-monoblock-amplifier-/251231299477?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item3a7e8d6795
thats nice too. waiting waiting to get paid :)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote amlu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 March 2013 at 11:04pm
this one looks promising...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-X-300-Watt-4-Ohm-Class-D-Audio-Amplifier-Board-TAS5630-300W-Stereo-Power-Amp-/350616487361?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Other&hash=item51a25f05c1

     
  • Power supply: 20V to 50V
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  • Channel Separation: >89 dB 1 kHz
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  • Dynamic Range: >100 dB
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  • Frequency response: 20Hz to 20KHz(±3dB)
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  • Signal/Noise Ratio: 100dB(A-Weighted)
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  • High Output Power     

    50W @4 Ω, <0.02% THD+N
          100W @ 4 Ω, <0.03% THD+N
          200W @ 8Ω, < 0.40% THD+N

spring is coming may give it a go.... need to borrow a sound meter from someone and build some test rig
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saturnus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 March 2013 at 11:09pm

Don't buy this. There's an updated version out that makes up for the shortcoming this amp has. It's discussed over in the 48V boost converter thread.

Originally posted by amlu amlu wrote:

spring is coming may give it a go.... need to borrow a sound meter from someone and build some test rig



Edited by Saturnus - 05 March 2013 at 11:10pm
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Hey Saturnus, how about these?

http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tpa3118d2.pdf

No cheap designs or readily available boards that ive found yet but looks quite good and people rave about the quality of the sound... also very efficiant. Theres a thread over at DIY about them. $15 dollar BOM......
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saturnus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 March 2013 at 7:44am

It's the TPA3116D2 that is the most promising. However, it's has a 27V +-1V overvoltage protection which basically means 26V maximum operating voltage. 2 12V batteries in series will after reverse polarity protection diode forward bias of -0.7V have 26.9V, if the batteries are fully charged to 13.8V. LiFePO4 batteries which are 14.6V fully charged (for a 4S standard package) are naturally not possible either. 

Like several other similar chips they almost meet the requirement but only almost.

EDIT: Actually I might have found a way it can be used after all. Changing the reverse polarity diode to a linear voltage regulator (lowers voltage over a certain point by dissipating the difference as heat) then with a trip point set to 26.6V (prior to diode drop), the regulator will in worst case scenario only "steal" 0.2% of the total battery capacity even with LiFePO4 batteries. 



Edited by Saturnus - 18 March 2013 at 4:37pm
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I use one of these in my truck:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pyle-24v-Truck-2-Ch-Two-Channel-800w-Black-Bridgeable-Car-Speaker-Amplifier-Amp-/350577703844?pt=UK_In_Car_Technology&hash=item51a00f3ba4

efficiency is probably poor (not a huge concern for me with 550ah@24v) but it's certainly a powerfull amp and well built.
me so horny, me love you long throw.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote amlu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 March 2013 at 7:19pm
thats a badass of an amp that truck one :-)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SMP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2013 at 11:37pm
I am finding this topic very interesting as, I intend to go to Accra in Ghana later this year, to set up a Beach Club. We have a plot there already, and will be using a solar powered rig for the Music Sound System. I already have a quantity of amps. Some big Kenwood PS 401M's & PS551's as well as some Inkel PA848, which are 24V amps and, are TCO types. Although when running on Malns DC, rail is 36V. So will try on 36V instead. So I will watch this thread with much eagerness
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