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    Posted: 16 December 2016 at 3:13pm
Hi,
I've been using two 18" 1000w subs on a proline 3000 which puts out 1100w 8 ohms RMS. If I were to daisy chain 2 1000w subs on each side would this be enough power or would it be better to get another amp to do 2 additional speakers?
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I power two V18-1000s off my Proline 3000...I haven't yet tried four but I've spoken to a few 3000 owners who comfortably run four V18s off it on 4ohm! Should be fine
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Get another Proline 3000, they are cheap enough.

Don't understand people, who buy 1000W drivers, and power them with 750w each, on edge of amp clipping.

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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Get another Proline 3000, they are cheap enough.

Don't understand people, who buy 1000W drivers, and power them with 750w each, on edge of amp clipping.

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Yeah the 3000s are cheap enough to just get a second one, but I run my sound on my own and I can't justify carrying an extra 37kg lump for that extra bit of juice!
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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Don't understand people, who buy 1000W drivers, and power them with 750w each, on edge of amp clipping.
Reliability. With appropriate processing set there is virtually no way a person could harm those drivers with that amp.  And it will get 98% of the available performance from the drivers.. another 3dB of power won't produce another 3dB of sound... some or most of that will go into coil heating.
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Time and time and time again this comes up. 

YES you can power 4x 1000w drivers on a proline 3000. 
I've done it myself many times and have seen it done many times. 
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Originally posted by Conanski Conanski wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Don't understand people, who buy 1000W drivers, and power them with 750w each, on edge of amp clipping.
Reliability. With appropriate processing set there is virtually no way a person could harm those drivers with that amp.


So, so wrong.. Pays to know about a product, before making sweeping and technically incorrect statements.

Any PA dude who knows his salt, will tell you, safer to have larger amp with plenty of headroom, than amp too small for purpose, which will clip and square wave coils.

Especially in the case of Prolines, which even though they have great sound, clip limiting is one of the worse seen on any amp.

Some of us had Prolines from 9x years ago, have obtained the circuit schematics from Deton, & passed them onto Electronic engineers/Amp repairers, in attemp to sort this weak point out.

Search back in Amp forum history, to see some of the in depth discussions about Prolines/Deton Aone series

EDIT:Headroom sounds better than limiting.


Edited by levyte357- - 16 December 2016 at 5:05pm
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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by Conanski Conanski wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Don't understand people, who buy 1000W drivers, and power them with 750w each, on edge of amp clipping.
Reliability. With appropriate processing set there is virtually no way a person could harm those drivers with that amp.


So, so wrong.. Pays to know about a product, before making sweeping and technically incorrect statements.

Any PA dude who knows his salt, will tell you, safer to have larger amp with plenty of headroom, than amp too small for purpose, which will clip and square wave coils.

Especially in the case of Prolines, which even though they have great sound, clip limiting is one of the worse seen on any amp.

Some of us had Prolines from 9x years ago, have obtained the circuit schematics from Deton, & passed them onto Electronic engineers/Amp repairers, in attemp to sort this weak point out.

Search back in Amp forum history, to see some of the in depth discussions about Prolines/Deton Aone series.


Will give you that Lev, woe betide anyone who clips this amplifier. 
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Originally posted by KingGwarn KingGwarn wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Get another Proline 3000, they are cheap enough.

Don't understand people, who buy 1000W drivers, and power them with 750w each, on edge of amp clipping.

<facepalm>


Yeah the 3000s are cheap enough to just get a second one, but I run my sound on my own and I can't justify carrying an extra 37kg lump for that extra bit of juice!


Hear that..

I almost passed out, after I bought my first Proline 2700 in 2007, and realised, I just bought 5.5 stone amp, to drive 2x boxes!!





Edited by levyte357- - 16 December 2016 at 5:20pm
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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by Conanski Conanski wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Don't understand people, who buy 1000W drivers, and power them with 750w each, on edge of amp clipping.
Reliability. With appropriate processing set there is virtually no way a person could harm those drivers with that amp.


So, so wrong.. Pays to know about a product, before making sweeping and technically incorrect statements.

Any PA dude who knows his salt, will tell you, safer to have larger amp with plenty of headroom, than amp too small for purpose, which will clip and square wave coils.

Especially in the case of Prolines, which even though they have great sound, clip limiting is one of the worse seen on any amp.

Some of us had Prolines from 9x years ago, have obtained the circuit schematics from Deton, & passed them onto Electronic engineers/Amp repairers, in attemp to sort this weak point out.

Search back in Amp forum history, to see some of the in depth discussions about Prolines/Deton Aone series

EDIT:Headroom sounds better than limiting.


He said "With appropriate processing" - IE set a limiter on the processor so the amp dosent clip... it will be perfectly safe,  running lower powered amps is safe as houses as long as you dont clip them / set a limiter properly.  
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Originally posted by Timebomb Timebomb wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by Conanski Conanski wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Don't understand people, who buy 1000W drivers, and power them with 750w each, on edge of amp clipping.
Reliability. With appropriate processing set there is virtually no way a person could harm those drivers with that amp.


So, so wrong.. Pays to know about a product, before making sweeping and technically incorrect statements.

Any PA dude who knows his salt, will tell you, safer to have larger amp with plenty of headroom, than amp too small for purpose, which will clip and square wave coils.

Especially in the case of Prolines, which even though they have great sound, clip limiting is one of the worse seen on any amp.

Some of us had Prolines from 9x years ago, have obtained the circuit schematics from Deton, & passed them onto Electronic engineers/Amp repairers, in attemp to sort this weak point out.

Search back in Amp forum history, to see some of the in depth discussions about Prolines/Deton Aone series

EDIT:Headroom sounds better than limiting.


He said "With appropriate processing" - IE set a limiter on the processor so the amp dosent clip... it will be perfectly safe,  running lower powered amps is safe as houses as long as you dont clip them / set a limiter properly.  
 

 Yep, I fed a bunch of 800w drivers 600w each for many years, never had a single issue, on a few occasions I tried feeding the drivers a bit more power and got very little, if any, gain.
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Again: A proline 3000 puts out 2x 2kW @4Ohm sine wave 60Hz. The thomann specs are false!
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