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James Barden has just refurbished a 32 stacks flashlight/21" system. Should be out and about soon.
DMZ. "The bass was intense. Girls were literally running up to stand next to the subs"
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Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

Talking of Cars though, (bit of a diversion here) My good friend the Bass Player, had some yanks, and one of them was a '56 Cadillac Eldorado. I was absolutely amazed to see so many gadgets. It had power everything, but operated with levers. It was only then I realised how behind we were at one stage with driving aids. Unfortunately, after the '50's and '60's they let themselves down badly.
I had a 66 Mustang back in the day. Even when I had it (late seventies) it seemed antiquated by the standards of the day. Built like a brick s**t house (had a couple of shunts and it literally destroyed the other cars) but was exceptionally easy to work on both in terms of access to bits and ease of replacement. The Borg Warner gearbox it had was used for years afterwards in UK Fords and other makes but then the Yanks seem to hit a design and development wall in the car (and other industries). It seems that it is only the small new companies that do anything new or radical - perhaps it is a mainstream American fear of the new/different  that prevents the big corporates from introducing anything too different onto the market.
For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants.
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I love my Snap-ons, back in the day, they wissed all over draper & the such like the only thing that came close were King Dick…..
DMZ. "The bass was intense. Girls were literally running up to stand next to the subs"
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Originally posted by oldskool oldskool wrote:

Originally posted by Robbo Robbo wrote:


System would not even come anywhere near the Iron Maiden Monsters of Rock Festival at Donnington with 360 blue boxes(mainly TMS3s)which was giving a peak of 124db at FOH mix position 100yds from stage---entire system was 525kw of power and you could feel the kick drum hit your chest up to a mile away from stage.
I am glad that I was there to witness it as it will never happen again in UK.

Bloody hell John, I didn't know there were that many TMS3s ever, never mind in one place. Ooh that must have been an awful lot of fun to play with. Pity the poor sods who had to lug them all around though.

IM OWNED 100 TMS-3 boxes with 26 TSW-124s to go with them, read the 12" Live after death jacket for some fairly funny facts about that tour...
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King Dick his allways with me! LOL...sorry 
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Originally posted by discosucks discosucks wrote:

would love to see a snap or two of that :-)


Likewise, I had the pleasure of hearing a decent sized F2 rig when I was but a lad and it was definitely the main callback when I started to get a whiff of the sound boy bug.
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Turbosound is a real odd one. As there was soooo much of it in circulation you would have thought there would be used flood and flashlight everywhere. That really is not the case.

Somewhere someone has a massive shed full of all the old systems.

Who has the following systems is what I would like too know!

BRP flashlight system (I know where the 21"s went)
BRP and maidens TMS3 system
Skan's flashlight / floodlight system
Bluebox's flashlight system

And there is prob a lot of companies that had more that I don't know about as the majority of tms3's are older than me!
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Originally posted by madboffin madboffin wrote:

The biggest F2 system I can remember in the UK was for a show on Glasgow Green in 1990 for around 200,000 people. The site was about 200m wide and 400m deep. There were two main stacks and three delays. The two outer field delays used a mixture of F2 and old Martin Modular as there wasn't quite enough F2 in the country to do everything. The F2 came from Capital and Encore in London and For Music in Vienna, and the Martin Modular from Concert Sound in Luton.

The total speaker count was:
40 x BSX Subs
134 x F2B Bass
49 x F2-3M Mid boxes
21 x F2-3H2T HF boxes
38 x F2-2H3V HF boxes
22 x F2-MHT Combination boxes
24 x MH212 Philishave mids
16 x Concert Sound 2" JBL horns
12 x Concert Sound 1" JBL horns
8 x Concert Sound 3T  JBL tweeter boxes (3x 2402)

So the driver count was:
80 x 18"
268 x 15"
217 x 12"
177 x 2"
126 x 1"
72 x 2402 bullets

 = 1084 drive units in total

Bear in mind that the F2 concentrated a lot of speakers into a small space and maximised coupling between the drivers, so it was very efficient for its size and speaker content. In fact, the first few F2 Festival and Stadium tour systems were bigger than they needed to be, simply because the clients (FOH engineers) didn't believe a smaller (physical) size rig could do the job.


Here's another system list from 1989, Wembley Stadium. Being an early F2 festival deployment, this is an example of a rig that would have worked just as well with less boxes, (and the extra JBL long-throws, which were insisted on by the FOH engineer):

Main stacks and understage fills:
40 x BSX Sub
129 x F2B
46 x F2-3M
8 x F2-2H2T
10 x F2-2H3V
18 x F2-4H (4x 2" horns)
8 x F2-6V (6x 1" horns)
10 x F2-4V (4x 1" horns)
21 x F2-MHT
8 x JBL 2356 40 degree horns with 2440's
(above split into SL & SR stacks plus frontfills)

Plus delays (split into 1 mix tower and 2 outer field stacks) :
12 x F2B
8 x F2-3M
8 x F2-2H3V

4 x F1M
6 x F1H
These "F1" boxes were the original F1 system, a big heavy flyable rig of which only one prototype was built. The Mid was 2x12" like a bigger version of a Philishave, and the High contained a splayed pair of narrow dispersion horns with 2445 drivers.

Must get the pictures scanned sometime...



Clap what id give to be able to hear that lot....when sound systems were real sound systems

Would love to see the pics Dave



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Similar to this I imagine? Got this from the Martin fb page.....EPIC!
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There is a great photo of Daves' stuff somewhere out there, it's at an Italian Stadium. That's all I can remember. Mentioning the amount of TMS3's Iron Maidon owned reminded me of a Styx tour in the States. The company that did the Tour took a similar number. 
Her's a Geeky fact that probably no one will be aware of. At on point the 3 had to be shortened from front to back by, I think it was 7/8's of an inch. 3/8" came off the front and the rest off the back. This was so that the cabs could be loaded 4 across with their covers on. At the same time the square front retainer for the Grill Foam disappeared and was replaced by a solid wood piece that was tapered, and from then on the Foam was cut with tapered edges.
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Jeeze, whats with the spam these days Sleepy
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Originally posted by jacethebase jacethebase wrote:

Turbosound is a real odd one. As there was soooo much of it in circulation you would have thought there would be used flood and flashlight everywhere. That really is not the case.

Somewhere someone has a massive shed full of all the old systems.

Who has the following systems is what I would like too know!

BRP flashlight system (I know where the 21"s went)
BRP and maidens TMS3 system
Skan's flashlight / floodlight system
Bluebox's flashlight system

And there is prob a lot of companies that had more that I don't know about as the majority of tms3's are older than me!

IM Holding still have most of their TMS boxes, not sure where BRPs stash went,

Blue Box never carried Flash (at the time only BRP had access to that, but they did have a fair pile of Flood/TMS)

Skan had a fair pile of Flood (again, I am not sure they ever owned Flash, I thought it was all BRP's) but I have no idea where that went.

Jands in Oz had like 120 TMS-3s, a company in ZA had similar 9some moved to Dubai a few years back)

Someone must have a HUGE rig!!LOL
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