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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nightline Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 September 2004 at 10:19am

Or the cheap SM series from Beyma, look at the SM-115-K. I'm using these speakers in double 15" manifold enclosures. I power these with QSC PLX1602 bridged without any trouble!

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Im thinking about building a horn cab, along the lines of the 1850.  I know its fairly large but it produces the frequency range I require and all the other plans on the site seem to have flaws which make them unsuitable.  Just wondering what drivers would be suitable for it, considering my budget is fairly limited.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mobiele eenheid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 September 2004 at 2:29pm

Well this is quite the opposite of your former posts .

If you want a relative compact sub, use an 18" reflex cab, for it will give you probably the best SPLmax and low end, for the size it has.

If you don't want a compact design anymore obviously hornloaded will be a pretty good choice, as it will no doubt go a lot louder, at the expense of size and except a few designs in low end as well, as most are designed to use with a minimum of four (or more) per side.

Perhaps you should hire a couple of systems to realize what will do the job for you. Or off course, you could just make them all .

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chris Rolt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 September 2004 at 3:27pm

Just exploring all the possibilities at the moment.

Thinking about it a reflex enclosure would be a good option.

What design would you recommend and also what drivers (around 1k RMS)

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Fane 15XB are a classic, they even have reflex plans for 1 x 15 or 2 x 15", and tell you exactly how long the ports need to be etc.
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Relfex cabs look fairly easy to design and build, is this the case?

I really need to design my own cab in order to fit the criteria for the project.  When I have chosen a driver what will I need to calculate in order to design a cab.

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Hi,

Yes, reflex cabs are simple to build compared to horns.

It all depends the kind of sound you like. I personally like a fast punchy type bass rather than slow sub heavy bass. So on my smaller rig, ive got a 15in horn, simular to the HD15. Ok, it doesnt go much below 60hz, but its great for the work i do.

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Once you've chosen a driver you need to decide what cabinet volume you want, 0.7, lower bass, or smaller and a bit more boomy.

Then there are one of the sets of magic number ratios to consider, to avoid internal reflections producing a bias at particular frequencies.

Then, for a reflex cabinet, you need to work out the tuning of the port, length largely determines frequency, and area determines port velocity.

Then, if you need to stretch some more calculations, there is the weight of the cabinet, you might like to target <=25kg for a single person lift.  You can also calculate the dB response for a given input power, and how this will decrease the further away you get from the speaker.  After that you can try to get minimal wastage from sheet material ...

I've got two double 15" reflex and some HD15 horns with two driver types.  I use the HD15 as a small far throwing bass unit rather than building up large arrays, so the reflex does go lower, but both have their place.  Hope the above gives you some ideas about what you could include in the project for a reflex design, for the HD15, ask expert Rog.

 

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Thanks Andrew very informative.

Pretty much definately going to build a reflex cab, just got to get it as small as possible but as powerful as possible.

Im going to start by selecting the driver.

Would you recommend any of these?

B&C TBX 40

 

Void V-18 1000

 

Eminence Kilomax Pro 15

 

Beyma 18 P1000

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Surely that decision making process should be part of the project?
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Yes it will be part of the project, I just need to work out a budget personally at this stage.

Just wondering if anyone had used any of them and if they would recommend them in terms of quality etc as I cant determine that with just a spec

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Andrew Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 September 2004 at 12:51pm

Some rough budget costs:

Driver: £50 - £350

Timber, glue and screws: £100 (Quality sheet cut at Timber merchant, not a DIY shed)

Handles and fittings: £50 (Excluding corner protection)

Since an empty unpainted box without corner protection costs £150, it is worth putting in a reasonable driver if you can, say £150, so you are looking at £300.

For your project you could factor driver cost, Max SPL, Fs, etc in making your choice.  Also, you could chose an "ideal" speaker but then use a cheaper one and state your results with the cheaper unit. 

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