Are w bins any good for kicks?

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   Hi all would double 15 loaded w bins be any good on top of X1 cabs for kicks I've found an old eminence plan and fancied building a pair to use for my kick section ?

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C-Audiofreak Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 12 June 2014 Location: Norfolk uk Status: Offline Points: 467	Post Options Post Reply Quote C-Audiofreak Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Are w bins any good for kicks? Posted: 30 May 2015 at 5:06pm
	Hi all would double 15 loaded w bins be any good on top of X1 cabs for kicks I've found an old eminence plan and fancied building a pair to use for my kick section ?

mini-mad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 13 July 2012 Location: london Status: Offline Points: 6903	Post Options Post Reply Quote mini-mad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 May 2015 at 6:15pm
	Yes.
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	a w bin without vented backchamber, yes defo! martin 115...

C-Audiofreak Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 12 June 2014 Location: Norfolk uk Status: Offline Points: 467	Post Options Post Reply Quote C-Audiofreak Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 May 2015 at 8:39pm
	Hi Corell the plans show as a vented rear chamber will it bring vented really have that much of a detrimental effect on them being used for kicks?

C-Audiofreak Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 12 June 2014 Location: Norfolk uk Status: Offline Points: 467	Post Options Post Reply Quote C-Audiofreak Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 May 2015 at 8:40pm
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	The vent just introduces more phase shifting and group delay, as well as reducing the quality of the transients as a trade off to try and get more low end in there. If you have subs already then the low end is not what you really need, so the trade off might not be worth it. or maybe it is, just depends on preference. Every choice is a compromise.

_djk_ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 23 November 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6002	Post Options Post Reply Quote _djk_ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 May 2015 at 7:31am
	Many have done dual 15 varients of the Klipsch LaScala. Heilsound made one model that I used, kicked like a mule, was useable to 400hz or so. I just stacked a pair of LaScala cabinets most of the time. If you're just wanting kick, don't vent them. . Edited by _djk_ - 31 May 2015 at 7:56am
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	As has already been said , providing there not ported make a great kick imo ! Less artificial sounding than a bph , maybe a 15 rather than an 18 for better transient response too A short flh is ideal for a kick at the expense of size ( in comparison to a bph) In my experience they sound very musical , just a tad big ! And don't go low enough as an all in one bass cabinet but go lower than most bph kick which helps to get a decent sounding crossover to sub ! Trick is getting the most suited wbin design with the ideal driver
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C-Audiofreak Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 12 June 2014 Location: Norfolk uk Status: Offline Points: 467	Post Options Post Reply Quote C-Audiofreak Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 May 2015 at 8:24am
	Will be a dual 15 cab out of the eminence design book it shows ported but I will just not port it will be loaded with 18sound 15w700 speakers

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	Some systems, need kick bin to come in at approx 75hz. Not sure how many w-bins will do that, without a port.
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C-Audiofreak Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 12 June 2014 Location: Norfolk uk Status: Offline Points: 467	Post Options Post Reply Quote C-Audiofreak Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 May 2015 at 9:50am
	My X1 cabs will be running upto around 90hz so am hoping that the w's will roll on around that point and run upto around 4-500hz point at which point I hope the EV mth1's will take care of from there upwards