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Microsoft bought Nokia........
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As Andy said, this purchase will be likely for:

* Any IP the company has
* Manufacturing technologies and techniques
* R&D capability
* Talented and specialist employees

Edited by spongebob - 07 October 2017 at 12:51pm
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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by Andy Kos Andy Kos wrote:

There will some changes for sure, but I expect in the long term rather than short term. You don't pay 7.4 million euros for a company and not try to get a profit out of it.

and although not a huge sum, 7.4 million is fairly significant, and I believe one of the reasons the parent company wanted to sell 18sound is that it wasn't particularly profitable. 7.4 million probably reflects the low profitablility and most of what is being sold is the IP and brand name.


Andy, does this mean you will be selling 18sound products?



I have no idea. I doubt anything will change in the short term. The first step will almost certainly just be some reorganisation and some sort of transition for the two companies to work closer together, but remain independent. Over time, I am sure the plan is for B&C to strengthen their market position, and only B&C know what will happen, and any changes could potentially take a long time.

I would expect they would want 18sound to carry on as it is, and continue making drivers and selling them, and making some profit to help pay back the buyout investment. Since 18sound has not been particularly profitable, it is likely there will be some changes made to become more efficient, and some prices may need to change for 18sound to be more profitable. Other than that, I expect it will be business as usual for the time being.

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Originally posted by spongebob spongebob wrote:

As Andy said, this purchase will be likely for:

* Any IP the company has
* Manufacturing technologies and techniques
* R&D capability
* Talented and specialist employees


Worth noting that B&C already 'bought' a key member of R&D staff from 18 sound, Andrea Manzini, he left 18 sound 4 years ago to go and work for B&C. Obviously that's not the entirety of 18sound, but gather he was a significant part of the R&D team.

I mentioned in a different discussion on this subject, and this is a suggestion based on several peoples opinions, but if you are perhaps #1 in your industry, whats the next step forward? well perhaps by being #1 and #2, that will strengthen your position a little.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mini-mad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 October 2017 at 1:27pm
When the JBL offices in the USA were bought didn't they just fire pretty much the entire engineering department?


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Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Microsoft bought Nokia........


LOL

Nokia sold their mobile phones 3-4 years ago to Microsoft who already closed that business down completely. Nokia itself is still there and very strong on network hardware side which has always been big business for them. Most likely majority of 2G/3G/4G networks in this country are using Nokia systems.

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Originally posted by Pasi Pasi wrote:

Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Microsoft bought Nokia........


LOL
 Nokia itself is still there and very strong on network hardware side which has always been big business for them. 
They also make a fine pair of bogtrotters (ankle length wellies for orienteering). Had mine since before I was married almost 25 years ago. And yes, it is the same company - apart from the networking stuff they are (were?) also into paper, engineering & chemical stuff. Oh, and rubber.
For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants.
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I'm  wondering if 18sound prices, could go any higher..

Will they lower, now?


Edited by levyte357- - 07 October 2017 at 6:28pm
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Originally posted by Pasi Pasi wrote:

Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Microsoft bought Nokia........


LOL

Nokia sold their mobile phones 3-4 years ago to Microsoft who already closed that business down completely. Nokia itself is still there and very strong on network hardware side which has always been big business for them. Most likely majority of 2G/3G/4G networks in this country are using Nokia systems.



I stand corrected, but you got my driftWink
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How about the preliminary products then?
It seems to me they prepaired a lot of products last time. Plenty of new hf drivers with cosmic technologies. New double vc 21". New mids with new technology. They must be pissed
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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

I'm  wondering if 18sound prices, could go any higher..

Will they lower, now?

Its fairly well known in the industry that in order to remain competitive, 18sound prices have been a little lower than they should have been, resulting in their profitability being somewhat lower than it should be.

This year has also been quite volatile with raw material prices, Steel has gone up 18%, Aluminium alloy around 17%, Dysprosium around 13% in just the last 3-4 months and the neodymium crisis is back, with prices doubling since April this year.

Virtually all manufacturers are making price adjustments over the next 2-3 months, and I would expect 18 sound prices to be adjusted to take into consideration the raw material price increases, and also to ensure 18sound stays profitable in the long term.


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Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Originally posted by Pasi Pasi wrote:

Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Microsoft bought Nokia........


LOL

Nokia sold their mobile phones 3-4 years ago to Microsoft who already closed that business down completely. Nokia itself is still there and very strong on network hardware side which has always been big business for them. Most likely majority of 2G/3G/4G networks in this country are using Nokia systems.



I stand corrected, but you got my driftWink

Nokia made a fatal error in adopting mobile windows for their phones when they had to ditch their own in-house OS.  Had they originally gone for android, things might be radically different
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