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    Posted: 10 December 2005 at 1:57pm
ne1 here used both aphex204 & behringer ultrabass?  I'm gonna get something soon, need to know if aphex's higher price tag is actually worth it.  If it was a decision based on the manuals & specs i'd get aphex but bellringa is so much cheapa , i like cheap
  Could always get both, wonder what sounds better: behringer into aphex or aphex into behringer
 
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iv used both and they really do different things.

what are you looking for from it? the aphex gives a clean punchy and above all crisp sound. the bellringer has a much more earthy feel to it. it also has a very good limiter and sub out, more control of signal and can be used as a 2way xover if needed.

the aphex is more of a total music effects unit and can do wonders to yr mid and top end and the ultrabass is more of a dedicated throat ripper.

neither seem to have a bass cut option, this seems daft.

 

i preffer the ultra as its more of an evil sound if you get it right. the aphex sounds too sweet for me.

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I've been using the ultrabass for 3 years. I don't crank it too high and don't use the 'pass-thru' to stop harmonics going to the mains(use it in the lowpass line to the amp(s) only).

My limiter 'pops' and drops the bass out the first time it is activated but otherwise I don't think I want to take it out of the chain! Really adds some nice weight to everything and even a pair of 12's can sound full(at low spl of course!)

I think it can throw some ridiculously low harmonics in though so make sure your highpass is adequate!

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Don't forget the SPL Vitalizer, similar to the Aphex, but I think it sounds nicer, plus you can get them very cheap- I picked one up off ebay for £35 not long ago.

 

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BBE also do a 'sonic maxamizer' simular to the APHEX aural exciter, i have both yet to try the APHEX though because ive only just brought a replacement powersupply that requires 24V.. but anyway the BBE has the low enhancer and mid/ top boost it gives great improvements to recordings..
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I used and own both the Behringer Ultrabass and Aphex204. The Ultrabass is crap because it overloads the system resulting in over excursion and the Aphex 204 'big bottom' uses different circuitry, but can also cause over excersion if you crank it too much, also the Aphex 204 introduces too much system hiss/noise.

I don't like either of them much. But Aphex 204 is the better one for not making the voice coil jump out the magnet as easy as the Ultrabass.

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Originally posted by ToXiC ToXiC wrote:

 not making the voice coil jump out the magnet as easy as the Ultrabass.

 

you must learn to use the force padoine.

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Here is list of the processors that I know 1) Aphex aural exciter,2)SPL Vitalizer,3)DBX subharmonic Synth,4)Peavey Kosmos,5)BBE Sonic Maximizer,6)Audio Control Richter Scale,7) Behringer Ultrabass,8) Alesis GRIP,9) Audio Control PCA....you will hear many pros and cons for each my personal favorite is the SPL Vitalizer for total spectrum processing.

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aren't rane making an exciter of some description aswell.

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@toxic,like I said,I believe it(ultracurve) can throw some really low stuff in there. If you don't set it to 'ultra-low harmonics' it should be alright.
The ultracurve basically adds a harmonic at half the frequency of the fundamental at its 'normal setting'. Ie if the kick is at 80hz,it will add a 40hz thump in there with it. If you use ultra-low,it'll be at 20hz,hence the massive excursion.(that setting is more for theatres than PA)
With any bass enhancer or even un-enhanced system,if your highpass is wrong,it will suffer. With my system I know I can't use below 35hz at full power on the 18's and the Berry B1500x(sold) could not take it below 44hz with the ultrabass. Set appropriately,I could run them to amp clipping with no driver overexcursion.
I believe that a bass enhancer doesn't really add any more SPL,it makes it sound 'fatter' or 'deeper' but not really louder. I prefer the sound with the processor on but I understand that the amp cannot produce more sound or that the woofer can suddenly move that extra 3mm...
I also don't think these systems will be suitable for use with 12/15" full range cabs at high SPL due to their inability to successfully handle or even reproduce these frequencies.
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@ lunchie tey: agreed with the 12''-15'' full range to an extent. given that a gig may not be worth taking seperate bass bins the bass expander (if used gently) will give a good pair of full range a nice boost, enough to fill that skittle ally or house party. meaning more cash for less work (always good in my book)


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Originally posted by roborg roborg wrote:

ne1 here used both aphex204 & behringer ultrabass?  I'm gonna get something soon, need to know if aphex's higher price tag is actually worth it.  If it was a decision based on the manuals & specs i'd get aphex but bellringa is so much cheapa , i like cheap
  Could always get both, wonder what sounds better: behringer into aphex or aphex into behringer
 
cheers,
   Rob

 

gotta say, i have used the berry for nearly 2years now. i love it. if it is set up right, it really gives body to the sound. the limiter is brilliant. set it so it is working, with one light flickering (so you know its working) and you will find it hard to blow yer bins.

we play all sorts through it, and it really rocks.

a bit of advice though, only use it set on punch. even for drum and bass. it sounds really muddy otherwise.

for the money, it is a peice of kit i really couldn't do without.

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