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So you were born in 1980(ref members profile) and you list above that you had paid work in this business from 1982---That makes you a two year old getting paid work in New York---I am truly amazed!!!!!
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Originally posted by Robbo Robbo wrote:

So you were born in 1980(ref members profile) and you list above that you had paid work in this business from 1982---That makes you a two year old getting paid work in New York---I am truly amazed!!!!!


I am GenerationX (1970). I must of made an error in my profile.

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So you had your first job when you were 12? Gosh,im very impressed, at age 12 i was washing cars for pocket money. 
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Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:

So you had your first job when you were 12? Gosh,im very impressed, at age 12 i was washing cars for pocket money. 

 
My best friends birthday party LOL

We borrowed an upstairs neighbour stereo and played in the basement in a private house. I got 20.00 for playing. That was a lot of money for a 12 year old in the 1980s.



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Regarding the breaking in.

What do you see when when you break them in for let's say 1 hour.
Then let it rest for a day, then again measure parameters. If TS parameters are back at when bought new, i would say breaking them in is pretty useless for normal use. 
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Originally posted by Elliot Thompson Elliot Thompson wrote:

Originally posted by Robbo Robbo wrote:

So you were born in 1980(ref members profile) and you list above that you had paid work in this business from 1982---That makes you a two year old getting paid work in New York---I am truly amazed!!!!!


I am GenerationX (1970). I must of made an error in my profile.

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Originally posted by monkeypuzzle monkeypuzzle wrote:

Okay, ask yourself this... Why am I breaking in the driver? 

If its to get it nearer to the correct TS for testing then go ahead. 

If it's to check that it works and is in good condition then just play a sine sweep starting low level and listening for distortion/rubbing.

If its because you want the system to sound perfect (driver having correct TS for cabs) from the get go then just play some music through it before your first gig. 

If it is because you think it will sound better having been run in then this will be done (if it is a thing) within half an hour of using it on a gig.

If you think it will be damaged by not "breaking it in" then this is nonsense. If you are still in anyway worried, set you limiters well, have good gain structure and don't spank it for the first half hour.

Job done. Anxiety over.  

Basically, stick it in a cab, play some music and enjoy.... 



This was what I was going to write, so +1!
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Originally posted by BJtheDJ BJtheDJ wrote:

Originally posted by JonB67 JonB67 wrote:

The guy isnt talking about breaking in a driver for measuring or testing purposes, and i dont think Robbo was either.


Hmmm, you don't really get it do you??

Breaking (used to be wearing in back in the day) is absolutely the same whether you're measuring or listening.

No mate, I'm struggling to understand it

I get its the same measuring or listening.

Im not understanding if breaking in in free air with whatever signal has a different and more positive effect than doing it in cab with music. 

I appreciate there is a likely time difference to get to the same worn in ts parameters but is it measurably better done one way than the other?
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Originally posted by JonB67 JonB67 wrote:

Originally posted by BJtheDJ BJtheDJ wrote:

Originally posted by JonB67 JonB67 wrote:

The guy isnt talking about breaking in a driver for measuring or testing purposes, and i dont think Robbo was either.


Hmmm, you don't really get it do you??

Breaking (used to be wearing in back in the day) is absolutely the same whether you're measuring or listening.

No mate, I'm struggling to understand it

I get its the same measuring or listening.

Im not understanding if breaking in in free air with whatever signal has a different and more positive effect than doing it in cab with music.


Simple answer is no.  It's to do with the suspension, which in it's fresh-manufactured form will have a certain stiffness.  Some few low-frequency minutes will be enough to bring it to a state in where it will remian substantially the same fora long period.

But bear in mind that taking speaker from a freezing cold van in the middle of winter, or from a baking hot van in the middle of a heatwave will have the same sort (not the same, just the same sort) of effect on performance.

Quote I appreciate there is a likely time difference to get to the same worn in ts parameters but is it measurably better done one way than the other?


It's my opinion that there would be no difference.

Completely  different track, but this reminds me of a tale told to me by Ian Tadd (haven't seen him around for a long while) about the Hill PA at Donnington which got caught in a flash storm - and the bass speakers dies an en masse death having all front facing cones; which resulted in much overnight reconing of 12" ATC's.

Blue Oyster Cult were the first band on on the next day, and their engineer was given strict instructions that the volume was to kept reduced to give the adhesives a decent chance to dry.  As soon as they came on he took the faders to the max and half the bass section was wiped out, again.

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Edited by BJtheDJ - 30 March 2020 at 11:52pm
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Originally posted by Elliot Thompson Elliot Thompson wrote:

Originally posted by Robbo Robbo wrote:

While you are on line Elliot could you please enlighten all of us on here of your practical experience in the Pro Audio industry as you class yourself as a soundman but we have never seen anything from you that verifies this fact---You do at times like to comment on certain areas that it is clear to the rest of us you have no experience in this field so I thought that it would be great if you could tell us of your experience to date.

It is going to brief for I am in the heart of the Coronavirus epidemic at the moment and everyday the Goverment is changing something here in New York.

 I have been in the sound business (being paid) since 1982.

 From 1982 - 1998 House Parties, Basement Parties, Dance Clubs, Block Parties, Sound Clashes, West Indian Day Parade

 From 1998 - 2014 West Indian Day Parade, Block Parties Small Bands, Weddings, Corporate (Government Museums, Fire Department) events.

 From 2014 - 2019  Corporate Events, Weddings

 From 2020 - Locked Down, Corporate Events, Weddings.

99% of my clients are Women, and get dates based on word of mouth.

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So, this isn't you then ???

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Yeah everyone seems a bit tense ey ? I thought it was a simple thing but turns out ive delved a bit deep . Aside from this ive been trying to study ts parameters and how they relate to box desgign and i noticed that the pd 186 is totaly not what seems to be suitable for horn loadin, maybe a br or th ? Am i missing something? Im tryingl to learn more about sound now that im off work but there seems to be so much conflicting information . My driver in question is arriving tommorow,  gonna be rocking in the quarantine  Tongue
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