Build 2 way passive speaker for 1850 Horn

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   Hi all,
Any advice on what 2 way passive speakers I could build to go with 1850 Horn?

Ideally something that would have nicely defined medium and high, it's mostly for electro/techno but if it can be polyvalent it would be an advantage.

I used to build 3 ways systems in the past but I would like to have something a bit more compact.

Thanks

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garthos Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List New Member Joined: 27 October 2020 Status: Offline Points: 8	Post Options Post Reply Quote garthos Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Build 2 way passive speaker for 1850 Horn Posted: 27 October 2020 at 2:27pm
	Hi all, Any advice on what 2 way passive speakers I could build to go with 1850 Horn? Ideally something that would have nicely defined medium and high, it's mostly for electro/techno but if it can be polyvalent it would be an advantage. I used to build 3 ways systems in the past but I would like to have something a bit more compact. Thanks

citizensc Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Young Croc Joined: 16 October 2015 Location: Perth,Australia Status: Offline Points: 526	Post Options Post Reply Quote citizensc Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 October 2020 at 10:18pm
	Really depends what you want. If you want something really loud and compact, maybe try the pm90/60 with the RCF ND950 rather than the BMS coaxial. If you want something that isn't as loud but can be used in many different situations, including on its own with out subs maybe try a 12 or 15 + 1.4 reflex cab. B&C has some new plans out, the U12 looks good to me https://www.bcspeakers.com/resources/suggested-designs There are other options out there but these would be the first things I would look at. How many 1850s do you have? how many people do you plan to cover?

garthos Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List New Member Joined: 27 October 2020 Status: Offline Points: 8	Post Options Post Reply Quote garthos Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 October 2020 at 3:25am
	I don't have the 1850 yet so I'm also open to alternative. but I got an opportunity to get 8 PD1850 at a good price so I'm thinking of what could go with it if I take it. I had a look to the B&C suggested design, it seems interesting , I guess it would have been interesting to build the S218BP with the U12 but the amplifier cost might become too high for such sub. Any experiences with archived B&C designed? and for the first option you recommended , any design using those speakers to recommend?

citizensc Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Young Croc Joined: 16 October 2015 Location: Perth,Australia Status: Offline Points: 526	Post Options Post Reply Quote citizensc Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 October 2020 at 4:02am
	The PM 60 and PM 90 are mid tops, they would work well above your 1850 horns. You can do a 2 way version by replacing the BMS 4594HE with an RCF ND950. https://soundforums.net/community/threads/new-diy-mid-high-90deg-aka-pm90.11601/ https://soundforums.net/community/threads/60-degree-diy-mid-hi-aka-pm60.12390/

smitske96 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Young Croc Joined: 16 February 2016 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1034	Post Options Post Reply Quote smitske96 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 October 2020 at 8:01am
	I have build two of the F122's from B&C, loaded with 12NW76 and DE800. Sound very direct and clear, but do need some EQ to help them cross around 100 Hz.

garthos Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List New Member Joined: 27 October 2020 Status: Offline Points: 8	Post Options Post Reply Quote garthos Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 October 2020 at 6:26am
	Anyone know about this one? https://www.avsforum.com/threads/diy-mid-hi-bms-coax-2x-12-b-c.3006048/ It seems pretty interesting, I think I would love a trapezoidal version Edited by garthos - 29 October 2020 at 6:27am

smitske96 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Young Croc Joined: 16 February 2016 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1034	Post Options Post Reply Quote smitske96 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 October 2020 at 7:25am
	That is the PM60/90 citizensc mentioned as a reply on your first post. Trapezoidal would be difficul in this case because you need the minimum widt of the 12" drivers in the back. You can cut of the corners, Peter Morris has done it also. I advice you to read both topics on soundforums, enough info about the designs.

garthos Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List New Member Joined: 27 October 2020 Status: Offline Points: 8	Post Options Post Reply Quote garthos Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 October 2020 at 8:02am
	but I guess could make it wider, to compensate the lost of volume no? I guess need to recalculate with some software

smitske96 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Young Croc Joined: 16 February 2016 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1034	Post Options Post Reply Quote smitske96 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 October 2020 at 8:20am
	Thats not something that you can compensate, you need a minimum of 320mm in the back to accommodate the 12" drivers. Making that box trap will make it a totally different design and it will be pretty big. Regarding subs, I would look in a different direction. Paraflex, Tapped horns would be my way to go if you have some space available. You don't need multiples to go low, you just add more cabs to go louder. Edited by smitske96 - 29 October 2020 at 8:22am

MarjanM Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 10 February 2005 Location: Macedonia Status: Offline Points: 7735	Post Options Post Reply Quote MarjanM Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 October 2020 at 9:55am
	Yes you can make it trap but the build will get exponentially more difficult and some recalculations will must be done.
	Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713