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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote championdrei Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 October 2014 at 6:32am
Or anyones apprentice really who knows how to build preamps and power amps
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote odc04r Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 October 2014 at 8:13am
There's not really a course in the world that will teach you how to build poweramps. Your best bet is obviously any electronics course which doesn't skimp on the practical side - but don't be thinking you won't be able to avoid some tough maths for the best results. There are also a lot of mechanical considerations with power amps and for the DIY'er those are learned mostly through experience.

Pre-amps are easier being all low level. If you start playing with op-amp circuits you'll be on the right track.

Unfortunately many people who set out to DIY a power amp want to start with a 500W/8 Ohms monster (which it would be for a first DIY build). I was also guilty of this when young! If I could find my teenage self I'd give them a talking to (about many things) and then make them build a 10W class A amp to start with. (Which would still need a good heatsink).
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Preamp building is not that easy. I know a guy who build one (as electronic engineer) wich should work on paper, but gets overheated very fast. That fast that it's not usable in a dance because it gets unstable and can damage amps and speakers. The sound he was building it for still use a regular crossover and dj mixer.

But like said, learn the basics of electronics and then start learning on DIY sites how to build hifi preamps, crossovers and mixers, because the dub preamps are basicly a combo of those 3 machines, specialy fit for bass heavy sounds like used.

It would also not hurt to get some you like and look at the inside of those machines so you can see how they were build.
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I am glad selector Waxx or someone said this because I think the whole market is falling foul of amateurs and everyone needs to buy stuff with more caution.  I recon to many people copying stuff and trying to make some chop shop electronics.

The above is OK to do for yourself, But not what you sell to others. 

I am a very experienced engineer, my CV makes me worth a lot of money and when I look for a job and I always get a few offers at the same time. I hold BSc(Hons), I designed MOD style equipment for 4 years, worked for Toshiba for around 1 year after. Been messing with audio most of me life. I also used to build FM radio transmitters which is probably more tricky than making preamp. been Self employed for a good few years now also, after I got pissed of with my Toshiba design job and the amount of over time I had to do free of charge. I am really thinking now of going back to get a proper paying job and leave the sound system electronics to the youngsters who cant find job.

The problem is. Education and Experience both required. You need to understand how radio frequency work and a whole heap of unrelated subject or your sound will fall very quick to problems. Unless you know the fundamentals and have the correct tools your in deep shit at that point. 

Some people try take many design and mash it all together into a larger system`. the result loads of mismatched impedance's, the design without proper bandwidth limiting and hence oscillation and RF pickup. more gain more stages more problems. There is a thing in industry we say EMC + EMC != EMC and it could not be more true with these larger preamp systems built from DIY websites information. 

Many can nock up something like a dub siren, LED box or synthdrum. But try design something clean that can compete with the likes of Allen Heath is not that easy. I am only just now finding confidence to take people like this on and I am not scared to admit it. I have designed now a pre amp which is in testing, I have never looked inside JTS, Mostec, Bah bah like the other builders, I do on my own back. It taking weeks to get just one board correct. If I sell it I will probably unlike the other builders publish full specs such as noise floors, input and output reference levels etc. If the other builders even know how to make the measurement and have the tools they probably will be ashamed to publish. 

I do know a few that know what they are doing and hats of to them. most others I am skeptical. and maybe you should never go with the man who dose it cheapest haha. 

I probably will get loads of rebuttal as per usual. I doubt I will come back on this website again. I say it every time but then I flick though and it say something.
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I am currently in the (slow) process of building a diy reggae pre. Its probably a mad idea, and the result most likely won't be as good as a mostec or a tubbys but  I enjoy the challenge and the fact it forces me to learn whole lot. The main thing is if it works and does the job, its something to build on and improve.

The main reasons I'm building my own pre: 

I want a pre with exactly the features I want, no more no less

I want to understand my pre, how it works and more importantly how to repair and maintain it 

I don't want to be reliant on a builder who is miles away and have to send it back and wait for repairs (rumour says these waits can very long)!!!

Here is picture of 'guts' so far..


I really hope this thread / topic / forum can be a place where those who want to have a go at building a pre or any other bit of kit can share knowledge, experiences and advice.

I reckon after building your own speakers and rack cases, making your own cables etc etc its natural progression to want to build your own pre Geek


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dj jammin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 October 2014 at 11:06pm
@ rigsmith, very interesting post, respect to you sir. Also heard one of your sirens ( used at a gig by Ben Alpha ) and I have to say there was no complains there, good bit of kit. 

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Originally posted by championdrei championdrei wrote:

what is it you have to learn though? is it electrical engineering or something??

im currently going to start college in September only 16 at the moment, i've loved sound system and ting since a young age through my dad.. got his own barracuda pre and ting

always wanted to build my own equipment and stuff but just need the knowledge Smile

im 16 too i have no experience in electrics and ive just built my own 4 way preamp and it works... very good in factLOLLOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stitchy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 October 2014 at 8:39pm
Originally posted by kr1sounds kr1sounds wrote:

Originally posted by championdrei championdrei wrote:

what is it you have to learn though? is it electrical engineering or something??

im currently going to start college in September only 16 at the moment, i've loved sound system and ting since a young age through my dad.. got his own barracuda pre and ting

always wanted to build my own equipment and stuff but just need the knowledge Smile

im 16 too i have no experience in electrics and ive just built my own 4 way preamp and it works... very good in factLOLLOL
 
got any pics?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dub Specialist Sound Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 October 2014 at 10:24pm
Wha no experience in electronics , and at 16 with that wealth of knowledge must of been blessed and meant to be born with a soldering iron in yu hand and some great knowledge ,Big smile

again any pics please!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mini-mad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 October 2014 at 10:38pm
....noo... i got my 1st soldering at the age if ten and i learn by doing. If i dont do it for a while i slowly forget but it shouldnt take much. A few band pass op-amps and a basic EQ and you have your self a very basic pre-amp. Easy enuff if you have a few hours free. Not saying it will be the doggs bolloxx but it will work to a fasion.

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Im the 5th gen to inherit my sound so all the skills i know have been taught by my uncle who used to do similar projects.

The best was i learnt was to practise and READ and WATCH.. It's the best way i learn.
Now I want to learn how to design power amps. I'm slowly gettin there (built a little 20w amp when I was 13/14) and when i do get there a new competition will be on the market :)

When i finish school i will be doing an apprentiship in electronics as well as sound engineering and carpentry.
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