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There is nothing wrong with the Powersoft K 10 if you are using loads ranging from 8 - 4 ohms in stereo mode. From my experience it seems to offer the most watts, long-term under those conditions. You may even find your drivers will burn up before reaching the amplifier’s clipping point.

Under 2-ohm per channel conditions requires more current, which means the power supply, would need to be larger. Larger Transformers cost more and weigh more, which, goes against many who are looking for a lightweight amplifier at an affordable price.

To achieve 6000 watts per channel in 2-ohm loads using the continuous average power method, which is common with older designs, would require at least a single 15 or dual 7.5-kVA toroidal transformers. Bear in mind the Crest 10,001 would be classed as a lightweight amplifier compared to such a monstrosity.

I am not familiar with switch-mode power supplies. I would imagine using that topology would offer a much lighter unit. Possibly 49 kg
   

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Originally posted by DjLeco DjLeco wrote:

OLD schools amplifiers, heavy but sure and with constant output power.
 
Personally I kept mines Crown Macrotech 5000VZ ,91 Vrms at output on EACH CHANNEL/4 ohm resistive dummy load for minim 30 minutes of bench, both CH delivering with slightly IOC led blinking, showing a little more than 0.05% distorsion.
 
IDEALLY for subwoofers 25-63 Hz.Clap
 
so over 2k..
 
What frequency did you use for this test?


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Originally posted by Jake_Fielder Jake_Fielder wrote:

Originally posted by DjLeco DjLeco wrote:

OLD schools amplifiers, heavy but sure and with constant output power.
 
Personally I kept mines Crown Macrotech 5000VZ ,91 Vrms at output on EACH CHANNEL/4 ohm resistive dummy load for minim 30 minutes of bench, both CH delivering with slightly IOC led blinking, showing a little more than 0.05% distorsion.
 
IDEALLY for subwoofers 25-63 Hz.Clap
 
so over 2k..
 
What frequency did you use for this test?
 
LOI off, Compressor off , 30 Hz , 50 Hz , 1000 Hz , no differences.
 
LOI is la Low Cut filter wich cuts off under 35 Hz.


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Originally posted by tallmike tallmike wrote:

Hi Rog,
but if an amp draws current consumption back after a few seconds then I think that's perfectly acceptable.


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Surely then, that amp should not be rated at the same power, as one that does not?

If amplifier A can reproduce a 40hz sinewave at full power without cutting out, or limiting current, or reducing output, surely amplifier B should be rated at a lower power, if it cannot perform the same task?

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yeah but say for another example:
amp A will do 8000w for 0.5sec and 2000w continuous, all at 4r.
if amp B can only get to 2000w for the first 0.5sec, but can still keep going continuously putting out 2000w.
 
Is it fair that they're both have to be called 2000w amps? if i want to pay rock music amp A would far outperform amp B.
Im not trying to argue btw, i just think there is no fair way to do it. other than having a seperate burst rating and a continuous rating.
 
(edit) and have all amp manufacturers teling the truth for a change...


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Originally posted by Jake_Fielder Jake_Fielder wrote:

yeah but say for another example:


If you paid £3200 for a lightweight amp rated @ 3000W per channel @ 4 ohms, wouldn't you feel ripped off, if your mate's £1600 Inf8 MK2 blew it away on sub on the same stack?


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and its funny to see as wellLOL

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Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Originally posted by Jake_Fielder Jake_Fielder wrote:

yeah but say for another example:


If you paid for £3200 for a lightweight amp rated @ 3000W per channel @ 4 ohms, wouldn't you feel ripped off, if your mate's £1600 Inf8 MK2 blew it away on sub on the same stack?
 
I would probably cry,
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the only time music that has a true continous amplitude signwave for more than a second going through my speakers, is when i use a signal generator for testing purposes and that hardly ever goes over a few watts as it's painfull.

if someone here can show me a track that has constant sinewaves close to 0db that can make my mc2 e45 dissapoint on four pd1850's, then i'd like to hear it!

yes it would be nice to think big name switchmodes could play continuose without ramping down, and some are better than others, but its not necessary for the real world with anything i've heard, and you should even look at it as a usefull form of limiting protection for you're drivers, for when the gain happy dj comes along, assuming the peak and ramped down voltage are perfectly mated to the drivers/speakers.




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Originally posted by minaximal minaximal wrote:

if someone here can show me a track that has constant sinewaves close to 0db that can make my mc2 e45 dissapoint on four pd1850's, then i'd like to hear it!


I don’t think it is the track but more the user that is going to drive the amplifier into clipping with no remorse.

Using an amplifier @ 2 ohms per channel is not what I would consider headroom from amplifier’s perspective yet, many will do it by choice and are not happy until every LED indicator is lit.

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Then why to use Reneault 5 to run as fast a a Ferrari? Use the right amp with right amount of power to power the right amount of speaker and repeat for the right amount of people in your crowd! I dont understand why people try to get the magic rig without using their head....
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