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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote andyamp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2009 at 7:57pm
must be an old one
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they are still in production... i think they are still the flagship amp for camco.

what constitutes a class H amp andy?
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google reveals all... i forget all the info is just a click away
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Camco Vortex are 3 step class H as far as I remember.

In theory it should make no difference other than the wiring whether you run three drivers per channel or switch the amp into parallel mono mode and daisy chain all 6 off one output.  The disadvantage of running all 6 in one chain is that the speakon output on the amp and the first cable has to handle all of the current of a 1.6Ohm load which is quite considerable.  You'll also have all the resistances of the extra speakon connections in the chain.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote andyamp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2009 at 9:28pm
Vpas best place to look is Wikipedia
I think there is some confusion in the amplifier industry as to amplifier types.
I call my big amplifiers Class H (Hunt) but lots of people call them class G.
Labgrupen call it tracking supply,i read some where.
the problem with the class G is you can often here the booster transistors switch in.LOL
Most amp makers make class G and call them H LOL
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There is lots of confusion between classes G and H.  I'm still not sure which way round it is officially!

Lab Gruppen are different again because they use a hybrid class AB/class D output stage.  The main output stage is class AB but the rail tracking is acheived using class D (switching) techniques.  I believe Yamaha do the same thing with their EEEngine or whatever it is.  The biggest problem with that method is getting the switching to respond quick enough to the audio signal.  It would be a good candidate to incorporate into an amp with internal DSP so you could pinch a couple of milliseconds and have 'lookahead' rail tracking.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote andyamp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2009 at 9:50pm
Chris, Yamaha  use supply tracking to.
the lab use buck down converters PWM as the supply feed to the output stage however as The PWM is fed through an inductor with a free wheel diode then, the Lab is Class G an not class D hybrid
the supply "tracks"
You are quit correct about the response time from these down converters,and when High current is needed on bottom end,then this can influence cone control.
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Yeah, where does the back-EMF from the cone go on a switch-mode rail tracking amp?
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I think, heat in the out put transistors,it may pump up the poly cap sitting on the supply poly cap feeding the collector's
Interesting question Chris
in my rail trackers its heat in the output stage, but it may go back up the HT rails on the down converters.
need to think on that

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote snowflake Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2024 at 4:03pm
Originally posted by VPAS VPAS wrote:

so i may be better of running 6 punishers of it in parallel mono rather then 3 a side?

unless anyone can give reasons why not to do it il give it a try next week...


ancient thread revival. 6 punishers you will get same result with three a side or all six on parallel mono.

where it comes in useful is with Nexo Alpha S2 subs which are a 3R nominal load. enables you to put three S2 on one amp. for some reason the club I'm working in has two of their six subs disconnected which is why I've been reading about it.
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If Nexo had done what many other manufacturers do and bring the two drivers out to separate terminals, you could run three drivers on each side of a stereo amplifier down one bit of 4 core Speakon, with the current shared across more wire cross section and Speakon contacts...

I suspect the S2 still uses 8Ohm nominal drivers but they are so heavily loaded in the bandpass configuration that you actually get an impedance much closer to the DC resistance of the coils (more like 6Ohms).

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