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Oh dear, so much mis-information coming out!  I would suggest you all search the propper IT forums!

Kaspersky always has and always will let through more than it stops, it's only a simple generic antivirus prog.   As indeed are all other cheap or free so called antivirus solutions.  and the only thing they are any use for is detecting such things as the old MS Word viruses.  
Norton is no longer the same reliable company that saved Microsoft's DOS 5 many years ago, the suite they hardsell now takes over your computer and slows it down.  More important is that it is so very easily hacked by Trojans, which is why this guy at the top of this thread can no longer run a full scan without a high proportion of his files being ignored!  (Well they will be won't they!  And any other poor quality scanner will get confused because these files are being held by Norton as 'suspicious' but with no conclusion as to whether they've already been tagged as malicious or not - to the corrupt Norton they've been taken out of the eqation, probably held in cyberspace somewhere?).

Good computer protection costs a lot of money per year.  There are many components of mallware protection and they require a balance of probably three sets of software installed to provide even a minimum level of detection.

BTW.  In this context, there's no diference between a USB modem and any other type of modem.  This USB is purely the connection between the modem and the computer.  Whatever the connection you still need firewall (and not just  IP address translation) software on your computer.  Sadly, this in itself these days is useless - they only close off the ports traditionally  used for infiltration into your computer.  These days all mallware comes into your computer via port 80, and guess what - everything you view on "t'interweb" comes in via port 80!

Oh I do wish that I didn't work in IT Technical Support -  it donarf get tedious !!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Spuggy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 January 2009 at 2:02am
I get this feeling Nickyburnell knows far more and is far more competent than I first realised.  I should have looked at the number of his posts - over 1100!  I also get this feeling that he and I could create the longest thread on record on IT issues.   ('nough said!)

Never had any luck with any form of 'rescue', not even from disks.  Most supplied anyway with laptops are useless after you've installed your own software, and are usually of the Norton Ghost variety.  I know there's a massive difference between a computer being used in a working environment and one being used at home.  The situation the fella's in at the start of this thread if it had been in my working environment I wouldn't even had bothered looking at it, I would have just advised the helpdesk to re-Ghost (reclone) it.  However this is obviously a home laptop probably being used to control his sound system, so I have to give way to your approach.

BTW, please don't knock NT4.  :)   Apart from my bulding from scratch and implementin a double rack of NT4 servers (including MS SQL and MS Exchange Mail Server, along with interfaces to AS400 and Novell 3.12, and then migrating the Novell into NT4 for 300 or so users), I was well and trully miffed when the company I worked for then wouldn't pay for my MCSE exams!  Sickening!!  Cry
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Originally posted by Spuggy Spuggy wrote:

Oh dear, so much mis-information coming out!  I would suggest you all search the propper IT forums!

Kaspersky always has and always will let through more than it stops, it's only a simple generic antivirus prog.   As indeed are all other cheap or free so called antivirus solutions.  and the only thing they are any use for is detecting such things as the old MS Word viruses.  


http://www.consumersearch.com/antivirus-software

http://internet-security-suite-review.toptenreviews.com

I have Kaspersky Internet Security 7.0 installed, and it catches a lot more than Word viruses.

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levyte357, If you take another look in those stats you will see a product called Panda Internet Security which is a total security package including automatic firewall (by software package as well as by port), advanced antivirus including heuristic analasys, trojan, and worm detection.  Several years ago Panda was criticised like mad, mainly due to the price, however you now get licences for three PC's /laptops for the price of one which now makes it cheaper for most users, and my goodness they ain't half improved the product since their original antivirus only solution.  I accept there are very serious problems with the Anti-Spam side of it, even in the latest  2009 IS version, but let's face it - who in their right mind would download all their email regardless to their PC anyway?  Unless perhaps if it were prefiltered by MessageLabs? 

I still have Panda IS running on my second laptop, an old IBM Thinkpad under Win2000, and have to say I hardly notice it there (mind you when I open the log file I can certainly see it's been doing it's stuff!).  The great thing is because it's a lesser known product it never gets hacked and disabled / partially disabled, as well known solutions like e.g. Norton etc. will be.  I accept that Kaspersky has improved, yet from what I see on BB's it still has a very long way to go.

My own preference lies within the Trend Proffessional Suites of solutions (a part of the Computer Associates organisation, [.......as was??????.......  My g/f just nudged me there while I was typing!....... Anyone out there know the situation with C.A.?.... Well my products here are still updating.]).  Anyway, it's still a fact that what you get is what you pay for.


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Has there ever been a murder of a hacker by the owner of the corrupted pc? 
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Ha!  Probably not.  But probably not enough of either thrown into prison either!
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Time for the hacked to do some hacking I say.Hack for hack.
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I've had remove Panda off a few computers so that the owners could actually use them again, at first thought their machines were slow because of Malware but it was the Panda sh*t all over them that was the problem.
Router firewalls are a hell of a lot better than having no hardware firewall and you don't need to be browsing porn and warez sites to get your computer chogged full of malware, just click on one dodgy link in an infected web page.
I have one machine here that the customer wants cleaning rather than reinstalling and against my better judgement I am on about the fifth scan product and have manually trawled the registry, searched for rootkits and I'm still finding stuff.
Malware is big business and they are nearlly always a step or two ahead of the antivirus companies and now with the ongoing development of Rootkits it is impossible to be absoluteley sure that you have removed all traces of an infection without completely wiping the HDD.

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Originally posted by Spuggy Spuggy wrote:

I accept that Kaspersky has improved, yet from what I see on BB's it still has a very long way to go.


I also notice from the stats, ZoneAlarm Internet Security is rated above Kaspersky by some people.

Zonealarm was the best firewall software for a long time, but now it has Kaspersky AV technology, it seems well 'ard.

Problem is, I now understand every bit of config in Kaspersky, and even though my current PC is just  a dual core 3.0 ghz Pentium 530 Prescott HT, with 2gb ram +XPSP3, even with Kaspersky running, I can still play games, whilst in the background, Outlook, Firefox3, IE, MSN Messenger are still running. Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nickyburnell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 January 2009 at 9:47am
Keep it Lev. Had to remove ZA AGAIN last week from a machine. The firewall is fine IMHO untill it updates, loadsa trouble sometimes, coupled with Joe Public denying everything. The one in question had just had a firewall update (!) and had gone 100% cpu, a ZA service gone mad. Also when I installed Nod32 the customer said the machine was better than when she had it new with ZA.
ZA, McAffee, Norton, FSecure, Panda and the Virgin thingy seem to all be too resourse hungry still.
 Also in my experience, those AV that use/have used Kaspersky's engine (Active Virus Shield & The Shield Deluxe) don't implement it at all well. The horror on the thread entitled, "Complicated" on here is looking like a culprit of The Virus Shield, a user of Kaspersky's engine.
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Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Keep it Lev.


OK, if you insist.. LOL

Favourite bits about Kas is when alarm box pops up when Utorrent or Limewire has "just" finished downloading s/w or music, and Kas says its dody, or when MSN Messenger periodically tries to connect somewhere or phone home without my permission. LOL

Also being able to config which Apps are allowed to even run, never mind access the net is invaluable.
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True, 'tis very good, too much control for some people though!
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