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dj jammin
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Conanski
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That rip looks like it might be below the dust cap and if so it was most likely done last time it was used. I have a 12" Behringer driver that somehow suffered the same kind of damage, still have it as I just replaced the driver since there were no recones available, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't one available for that generic Eminence cast frame driver.
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Elliot Thompson
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Bear in mind, once you use a non-original recone kit, the TS Parameters will not be the same as the original cone offered in the loudspeaker's chassis.
Something to keep in mind if, you already designed an enclosure around the Eminence 18 400w.
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dont worry too much about ts prams, get roy to recone it, still play bass ..had few done over the years, still used on bass, not a problem imho tbh too played better than the original
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Elliot Thompson
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Any speaker can be tossed in a box and deliver bass. However, if the person is very critical on what they want, designing the box around the driver's TS Parameters will always be the best method. A reconer that class themselves as a professional should not have an issue offering the measured TS Parameters of the loudspeaker they repaired upon request.
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bin juice24
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Cheers guys. I’ve already cut the ply for the box, as specified on another thread. I’ve another of these to make a pair, so it’d be great to get it repaired. This is my first rig, so really a long way from being over critical regarding sound quality.
I am wondering about ‘tone’ though. How each component affects tone, from stylus to cabinet. I play bass and guitar and amps play a huge part in tone. Do power amps vary that much in audible difference?
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Elliot Thompson
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You would be surprised how much the loudspeaker plays a part on the Tone. Bear in mind loudspeakers for guitar amplifiers are designed to distort. You can visit Eminence website in which, you can evaluate various tones through their guitar speakers. In the Pro Audio world, to attain such tones usually stems from over driving something in the audio chain. This could be accomplished from the amplifier or some means of processing above the amplifier stage. However, over driving the amplifier is bound to destroy the loudspeaker since Pro Audio Loudspeakers are not designed to distort like guitar speakers. So if you are aiming for a certain type of Tone (being a guitarists) the most obvious solution would be to stick a guitar pedal (Big Muff) in the audio chain if you must have a more distorted sound. Best Regards, Edited by Elliot Thompson - 24 March 2020 at 10:34am |
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Yes - the better quality guitar/bass amps are valve - or have some sort of valve "simulation" - a totally different kettle of fish, in that an overdriven valve produces even harmonic distortion, a lot less harsh on our ears - even described as "warm". Overdriven transistor circuitry causes odd harmonics - like a fuzz pedal. And digital overdriven is even worse. "Do power amps vary that much in audible difference?" In theory, no - but another can´o`worms there. |
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bin juice24
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Yeh I’ve used old valve amps and newer rectifier (love a Mesa!!) and appreciate they’re worlds apart.
Are you paying for reliability with amps then? Also, if power amps are effectively two amps, how independent are the two channels? Can you run them at difference ohm?
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"Are you paying for reliability with amps then?" Definitely - especially with the newer lightweigt/Class D stuff. Saying that, older - but still very reliable - transformer loaded amps can be found at bargain basement prices because people just don´t want to lug them around any more! "Also, if power amps are effectively two amps, how independent are the two channels? Can you run them at difference ohm?" Yes - no problem running the channels with different loads - but remember that most share the PSU, so overloading one side might effect the other. |
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PA and instrument amps are worlds apart. PA amps do not have (or are not supposed to have) a specific "tone". They just make whatever signal you give them more powerful. There's never any circuitry in a PA amp that is supposed to change the sound you put in. Of course in the real world there are some effects that mean the output isn't a 100% accurate copy of the input but we are talking 99.9% identical.
Instrument amps have two parts, the preamp and the power amp. The preamp is where the tone comes from. Instrument preamps have circuitry specifically designed to change the input signal in some way. For example an electric guitar amp having bass, mid and treble controls - When these are all in the middle, the EQ is not flat at all. If you plug an electric guitar into a flat preamp all you get is a flappy, midrange heavy sound with no weight or sparkle. So the preamp cuts a lot of midrange or boosts the treble and bass "as standard", even when all EQ knobs are at 50%. This gives the tone you expect from a clean guitar amp channel. There are also things like "bright" and "deep" switches that activate fixed EQ on the signal. Then you have the option of overdriving the preamp to introduce distortion. PA amps are designed to avoid this completely. Indeed if you try to overdrive their input a lot of PA amps will just shut down. A stereo PA amp is indeed two seperate power amps in a box, with either one power supply for both or two independent supplies. So yes, you can amplify completely different signals on each channel, and they can be loaded differently. There are even power amps eg Crown 24x6 which have one high-power channel for heavy loads eg bass, and one lower powered channel for lighter loads such as tweeters. You do pay more for reliability - this is where a lot of cheap power amps fall down. Sure it works now but 6 months from new it may just sh1t the bed for no apparent reason and cost you as much as you paid for it to get fixed. Less "affordable" brands normally have long warranties and a reputation for not breaking. EG Crown 5000VZ is over 25 years old now but there are still units being sold for the best part of £1000 as very few amps can match it for power and longevity. Whereas eg Prosound, Soundlab amps don't even make it onto the secondhand market because they all just get blown up in short order and scrapped.
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This is all great stuff!
Making my isolation more enjoyable. So mixer, quality of vinyl are more important than amp re tone. What about cheaper drivers? How does a fane compare against a pd? Are they brighter at a lower pitch?
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