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Without decent protection your PC could be part of a botnet (network of compromised computers which is controlled by it's creators) and you wouldn't be able to tell.

These networks are often used to hold a business at ransom, by overloading their servers with data from thousands of infected machines until they pay up.



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I have two answers to that...

I WOULD be able to tell because I'd see network traffic that was unaccounted for or I'd see extra processes running or many other tell-tale signs.

The other answer is if I REALLY wouldn't be able to tell then I don't really care.

And still I'd say that no I couldn't be part of one unless my computer had requested to be part of one.

I agree that without decent protect there could be problems, but "decent protection" in my opinion is running a dedicated firewall and well-informed PC usage. Not downloading and installing patches and running bloated scanning software etc.
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In response to the original post:

Leaving known security vulnerabilities in your installed software unpatched is just stupid.

Hardware firewalls are good definitely, but a software firewall should always be used as well to control application-specific access to the network.

Running without anti-virus is also just plain stupid in my book.

I use all of these and my machine zips along.  Windows in particular is really easy to mash up and end up with it running real slow.... probably 80% of the pc's I've ever seen crawl along through bad set up but patching your system/running antivirus/software firewalls should and do not cause a system to slow down massively.
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Originally posted by iand4403 iand4403 wrote:

Without decent protection your PC could be part of a botnet (network of compromised computers which is controlled by it's creators) and you wouldn't be able to tell.

These networks are often used to hold a business at ransom, by overloading their servers with data from thousands of infected machines until they pay up.



Application specific firewall and careful monitoring of active processes will actually tell you quite quickly.

Back in the day the MSblaster worm got nothing from me as I simply denied it outbound access. Oh how I laughed as all my friends PCs constantly rebooted.
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Originally posted by odc04r odc04r wrote:

Oh how I laughed as all my friends PCs constantly rebooted.


Haha I bet they loved you for thatLOL

Problem is, when people realize you know about these things, instead of taking your advice they just ask you to sort it out for them. I'd rather let them all get worms than spend ages trying to set people's computers up properly.
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Originally posted by chickenfizz chickenfizz wrote:

I have two answers to that...

I WOULD be able to tell because I'd see network traffic that was unaccounted for or I'd see extra processes running or many other tell-tale signs.

The other answer is if I REALLY wouldn't be able to tell then I don't really care.

And still I'd say that no I couldn't be part of one unless my computer had requested to be part of one.

I agree that without decent protect there could be problems, but "decent protection" in my opinion is running a dedicated firewall and well-informed PC usage. Not downloading and installing patches and running bloated scanning software etc.


Apparently it's quite simple to spoof the windows process list/netstat etc but I have no experience.

As long as I can browse SP and play Moh:AA I'm not bothered either
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the solutions dead simple...

for internet use - JUST RUN LINUX ! LOL

..preferably ubuntu.
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Originally posted by iand4403 iand4403 wrote:

Originally posted by chickenfizz chickenfizz wrote:

I have two answers to that...

I WOULD be able to tell because I'd see network traffic that was unaccounted for or I'd see extra processes running or many other tell-tale signs.

The other answer is if I REALLY wouldn't be able to tell then I don't really care.

And still I'd say that no I couldn't be part of one unless my computer had requested to be part of one.

I agree that without decent protect there could be problems, but "decent protection" in my opinion is running a dedicated firewall and well-informed PC usage. Not downloading and installing patches and running bloated scanning software etc.


Apparently it's quite simple to spoof the windows process list/netstat etc but I have no experience.

As long as I can browse SP and play Moh:AA I'm not bothered either

Yep if you have a rootkit your system will basically lie to you.

Did you see what happened to our local botnet creator in the Coromandel? He has dyslexia or similar, so he doesnt go to jail,and has many job offers. Isnt that discrimination against those of us without conditions? Also he didnt modify an existing botnet program,he made his own :P

And as for patching, yes some people DO have an excuse - for every 10 bugs that are fixed, 3 more are created. But your everyday joe blogs, I dont think they have a problem with auto updates aslong as they have a decent ADSL pipe.
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Originally posted by nineleaves nineleaves wrote:

the solutions dead simple...

for internet use - JUST RUN LINUX ! LOL

..preferably ubuntu.


For newbies try Linux Mint its a Ubuntu fork with a lot of the set up misery taken care of.

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Originally posted by darkmatter darkmatter wrote:


Problem is, when people realize you know about these things, instead of taking your advice they just ask you to sort it out for them. I'd rather let them all get worms than spend ages trying to set people's computers up properly.


Just tell them it's £25 per hour after the first favour (unless they are good friends or family). That dissuades lazy people pretty quickly. After the first time you have sorted them out they don't get a second if good advice has been disregarded too!
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Originally posted by Tony Wilkes Tony Wilkes wrote:




For newbies try Linux Mint its a Ubuntu fork with a lot of the set up misery taken care of.

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ill have to look that one up sometime :)

i currently reccomend and use ubuntu as it is also very windows user friendly; it works like it in many ways; is overall very easy to use & well supported.
it was founded by some african billionaire who wanted to bring a free, useable, well funded & maintained opensource operating system to the masses who are familiar with windows.

installs just as easily too; and the partitioning proceedure is easy & non buggy into the bargain :)


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Basically Mint is Ubuntu with all the multimedia codecs already included plus they have modded a few apps. to make them much easier to use. Only available in  32bit at the moment but 64 bit is at RC1.

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