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sgarfa
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thanks a lot.. as many here ... first I try alone .. if you can not I'll send you an MP :)
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I was being semi-serious.
You should explain everything about your setup, cabling, devices (switches/audio/everything) . Then explain your requirements and someone here can best advise on the next step. :)
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toastyghost
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Dante enabled products carry a dedicated interface and licensing cost, hence the ‘exaggerated’ fee.
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sgarfa
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no no ... I do not want to make controversy about the price ... Audinate has the patent and it is right to do the price he wants ...
But in my opinion, however, if they want to create a leader position in the home sector they should produce a entry level line with products that are sufficiently economical and affordable for everyone .. that do not need the strength of the pro industry ... maybe not Dante directly g but some company that uses its patents... Transmitting audio from a smart TV over LAN should not cost € 200 |
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toastyghost
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Those are the entry level products. I don’t think home is really in their interests, it just happens to work for that.
You know you can just put analogue audio down the CAT5, right? Edited by toastyghost - 24 January 2019 at 1:06pm |
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sgarfa
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exact is not in their interests.. yes...already i use pc derivated cable a rs232 connectors for 2 balanced channels (for convenience, not for distance, to quickly connect 2 racks with 1 cable)... anyway i now Dante avio are entry level they do not even have neutrik connectors :)
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toastyghost
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Why do they need Neutrik connectors? They're not for touring use and to put an Ethercon on would make them bloody huge.
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Danny A
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check out Dante Via, it may do what you need if you dont need the channel count, you dont need an audinate chip on the network either so the only cost is the software which is only $49 or $59 if you want via + DVS bundled together
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Boxes-R-Blue
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In real terms, if you can Vlan the network maybe, but Dante is utter crap because you simply can't guarantee what order the packets on an IP network will arrive in, PING will cause back-pressure on a switch and trash your signals.
I personally would not contemplate Dante in a shared net as you have no control in scenario. In an end to end fully wire speed switched network you would be brave with Vlan, to slam your dante crap onto a live "internet" enabled network you are just waiting for the bang. QOS serving is useless for audio, you would need defined Vlans and bandwidth control, IP is Internet Protocol, Audio over Ip is as best a risk and if in a mixed network a complete liability. Map the network, check how many swithes/routers are in play, tracert your paths and see if you can define routes. Min spec is no-DHCP, Dante is non-gatewayed subnet (IE if the network run 192.168.x.x/24 use 10.x.x.x/24 on statics for your Dante junk) Personally, I know how to do this and wouldn't... |
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Danielr
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You know that phrase, "you're not even wrong." I'm not getting this insistence that a VLAN is somehow the special stuff that will make this work? - you say, if you can VLAN then maybe, but QOS is useless? A VLAN is "ONLY" a logical segregation, it's not a physically separate set of infrastructure, it doesn't behave like that where traffic is concerned either. "heavy" traffic on a switch for VLAN1, will also affect VLAN2, (and any others.) (where "heavy traffic" means enough to bog down the back plane of the switch, or a shared up-link.) Sure VLANs are useful (sometimes), but only really if you understand what they are and what they do, and what they don't do! If you have enough data to saturate a single 1GB uplink (unlikely), then a separate VLAN will not help you. there are only two things that will help: 1, Increase the uplink speed (aggregate uplink ports, or change to fibre etc.) 2, Quality of service rules that hold back your non critical traffic and give priority to your critical traffic as defined bu your policy. Saturating a link at home, (even if there is a few hundred mbps internet link) seems unlikely. even having spikes of traffic large enough to cause jitter seems unlikely. QoS _IS_ the control that you say is lacking in a shared network. If you do not configure a layer 3 routing device (gateway) you will not be able to route traffic between your two different subnets. (for management) (you can't route audio anyway. [ish]) DHCP is fine. (or at least Audinate say it is, I assume they know.) It's only audio, it's not magic... a 24bit/44K uncompressed Wav has a bitrate of 10,500Kbps. You certainly won't notice any contention issues on most networks. - the traffic generated by audio is minute... What you *may* notice is some jitter and you can correct this by limiting other traffic to not be "in the way", though again, on *most* networks you won't. I don't know what switches most people are using for their home, or what most people are putting in professional installs, but, I work with network equipment and the switches that I'm generally putting in have 1GB ports, but their switch plane capacity is 240Gbps, which allows the device to light all 48 ports in a switch at full 1 GB speed, AND stacking back planes to connect multiple switches at 40Gbps, as well at other expansion ports at 10Gbps each. And if you found that your wire speed was too low, you can run multiple wires and trunk them together, giving you 2, 4 or 8Gbps wire speed, and fault tolerance if individual cables break. or run fibre (up to 10Gbps per link) and terminate with SFP, and again you can aggregate multiple fibre connections to provide extra speed and fault tolerance. (all that for just south of £3k inc VAT.) This is an installation for home. the guy is talking about his TV. that's what? 5.1 (6 channels of audio?) the simple answer is, "Yeah, it'll be fine." |
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MattStolton
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IMHO, fecking about with VLan this, and QoS the other, and getting it stable, and the rest, Vs just wanging a bit of Cat6 and a couple of decent GBit switches into play...?
Whilst it is easier to be fecking around wrangling a GUI on a laptop (takes slurp of tea), versus physically bashing in a separate LAN, if you calculate your hourly rate of cost of fecking about with GUIs, vs hourly rate of labour to cable bash, terminate and plug together + parts, could well be similar? |
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Matt Stolton - Technical Director (!!!) - Wilding Sound Ltd
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sgarfa
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that hot topic ... in any case ... just 2 channels from the TV ... just to bring signal to my processor...
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