Decwares wicked one sub...

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   so have you modeled the rear chamber for the driver or have you literally 

tilted it just so it fits, everything else staying the same?  Designs without 

speaker recommendations scare me.

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ashnono Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 11 March 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 443	Post Options Post Reply Quote ashnono Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 March 2006 at 12:01pm
	so have you modeled the rear chamber for the driver or have you literally tilted it just so it fits, everything else staying the same? Designs without speaker recommendations scare me.

james folkes Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 08 January 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3064	Post Options Post Reply Quote james folkes Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 March 2006 at 12:05pm
	modelling shmodelling. we are using decware style "make it fit and see what happens" prototyping at this early phase. as mike points out, this is highly unscientific and not the chosen methods of most forum members here. the 10" version has a driver recommended, but we aren't really through by damn with the 12". i susepct box dimensions will be wiggled a tad to help make everything fit/tune properly when we have a better idea of modelling. james.
	mardy hippy.

ceharden Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List The 10,000 Points Club Joined: 05 June 2005 Location: Southampton Status: Offline Points: 11691	Post Options Post Reply Quote ceharden Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 March 2006 at 1:13pm
	I'm with James. Sometimes you just have to guess a bit, build it and listen. Models can only tell you so much in any case. What does a Hornresp simulation look like? Oh, or has no-one done one yet? If not I'll give it a go sometime. Edited by ceharden - 29 March 2006 at 1:17pm

rich-ind.st Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 11 September 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 75	Post Options Post Reply Quote rich-ind.st Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 March 2006 at 2:20pm
	finally people interested in this cab. been loving these subs for the past 2 years, there pretty wierd but i like 'em. my home stereo for the past 8 months has been using one of the beytma loaded 12" variants running 2 way crossed at 80ish hz to some old monitor audios, it can sound amazing but i still cant decide where to delay the mid tops to, in the process of playing with it ive found some stupidly wrong settings (7M delay on midtops...)can sound really good in a bizzare way. i cant decide whats the right setting , the measured delay sounds pretty good but maybe not quie right. either way if you put 1200w into one of the beyma (or eminence omega for that matter) loaded boxes , a sh*tload of bass comes out, its punchy and low as an added bonus. few weeks back was doing the pa for a wrong gig using 2 wicked ones, 2 martin 215's and some tops. at one point someone played some dubstep, sounded huge considering the ammount of drivers being used. if this has been modeled in cad can someone send me the dimensions/volumes of the various compartments and horn sections, worked it out once but stupidly painted over it (was on the side of the cab) wanna try putting it through horn resp...again. highly reccomended as a stereo sub too ...the beyma loaded box sounds good even at really low volume. if anyone cares to get tech and model the box id be interested to find out what it says...
	...they gave you what?

ceharden Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List The 10,000 Points Club Joined: 05 June 2005 Location: Southampton Status: Offline Points: 11691	Post Options Post Reply Quote ceharden Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 March 2006 at 3:03pm
	Have had a quick guess and play with Hornresp but I don't have the dimensions so really have been guessing! Hasn't looked nice so far...

Jimbo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 07 March 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 420	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jimbo Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 March 2006 at 3:34pm
	I'll try to work it up in AutoCAD tonight. It doesn't look too hard. Jim

tb_mike Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 01 October 2004 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 2744	Post Options Post Reply Quote tb_mike Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 March 2006 at 8:45pm
	I figure 135cm path length 35L front chamber approx,and about the same rear(isnt critical) throat area ~300cm^2,depends on depth.Assuming 30cm internal. hmm :P

tb_mike Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 01 October 2004 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 2744	Post Options Post Reply Quote tb_mike Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 March 2006 at 8:49pm
	Oops,had the Vrc half what it shudve been.Looks like a Tuba24 really. Edited by tb_mike - 29 March 2006 at 8:52pm

james folkes Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 08 January 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3064	Post Options Post Reply Quote james folkes Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 March 2006 at 5:34am
	what driver have you modelled that for mike? plus is that the scaled for 12" version (taller box, bigger dimensions all round + angled baffle changes volume of chambers occupied by timber) or is that the 10" as shown on decware? also, how have you tackled the dual driver aspect? have you done multiple drivers and then summed the csa of the various sections of the two horns/ ports, front and rear chambers? james.
	mardy hippy.

ashnono Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 11 March 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 443	Post Options Post Reply Quote ashnono Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 March 2006 at 8:21am
	looking at the decware forum quite a few of them have been disapointed with the 12" version compared to the 10". have you guys built both?

james folkes Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 08 January 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3064	Post Options Post Reply Quote james folkes Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 March 2006 at 10:59am
	yes, well, rich has, but i haven't heard it with the spec drivers. the 10" was loaded with ten buck pyramid car woofers from parts express, whilst i was amazed at the output in terms of bang per buck (it was used as a pecker rig with some wharfedale pro 15"+1" and rocked a good few basement parties) i didn't think it was all that musical. the 12" versions were loaded with lanza car drivers for starters, they weren't particularly nice. enter the beyma 12" lx60 and all of a sudden it's like it's a different box... well i mean it is really... but anyway, as soon as rich bought a load of them i started to really like this cabinet. i have one of those first 12" boxes loaded with eminence omega pros, not quite as nice as the beymas but it still does the job under my martin 215s. james.
	mardy hippy.

Jimbo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 07 March 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 420	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jimbo Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 March 2006 at 11:00am
	I'd like to see it modeled with the Emmy HL-10A. The price is right. If you still have it loaded in Hornresp, a 1pi plot would be nice Jim