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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2019 at 10:58pm
Originally posted by Pasi Pasi wrote:

Sulla ei ihan oikeesti ole mitään käsitystä miten nää laitteet toimii. Miks kiusaat ittees? Elementit on paljon monimutkaisempia kuin mitä ikinä osaat edes kuvitella.

Any Idea why he does not reply to you?


Photos in this thread are pure magic though. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2019 at 1:03pm
Originally posted by KDW32 KDW32 wrote:

Any Idea why he does not reply to you?


Nope, and don't want to start guessing either. Although i wish he would...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2019 at 1:36pm
Originally posted by KDW32 KDW32 wrote:

toastyghost your troll is ace!


You aren't the first....



Ain't seen me, roight!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2019 at 11:58am
I just realised I'll get taxes off as a company owner from Thomann orders.

Maybe I'll scrape together the money and finish the project.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2019 at 12:16pm
Originally posted by efinque efinque wrote:

I just realised I'll get taxes off as a company owner from Thomann orders.

Maybe I'll scrape together the money and finish the project.


Yes, you won't need to pay VAT if you are VAT registered. You won't get money back, but you won't have to spend it in the first place.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2019 at 12:49pm
depends where you are and how big your buisiness is.
as a self employe in germany for example, you pay VAT and claim it back.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2019 at 12:55pm
Originally posted by corell corell wrote:

depends where you are and how big your buisiness is.
as a self employe in germany for example, you pay VAT and claim it back.


He's in Finland and there limit for VAT is, i think, 8500 euros. After that turnover you have to be VAT registered, doesn't matter what company type you run.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2019 at 1:39pm
Originally posted by Pasi Pasi wrote:

Originally posted by corell corell wrote:

depends where you are and how big your buisiness is.
as a self employe in germany for example, you pay VAT and claim it back.


He's in Finland and there limit for VAT is, i think, 8500 euros. After that turnover you have to be VAT registered, doesn't matter what company type you run.


Jesus, can you imagine the pub conversations if they applied the same limit in the UK?! People bitch about the £65k as it is!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2019 at 2:04pm
Originally posted by enfinque enfinque wrote:

I too keep an eye out for 2nd hand stuff.. in my experience speakers aren't a "good" buy


On the contrary, speakers are an excellent buy.
Of the kit I owned, I think I got more for it when I sold it, than I paid for it.
That includes speaker cable (copper went up in price and I was buying end of reels), brand new PD154 (I got a dealer price new, they went up retail in the time I owned them) and cabs that I bought and spent a bit of time making nicer looking.

If you know the right stuff, you can buy it up when the bargains appear, and capitalise on the gains when you sell it.

I might even go as far as to say its the only time I've made money from sound gear!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2019 at 7:31pm
Originally posted by Pasi Pasi wrote:

He's in Finland and there limit for VAT is, i think, 8500 euros. After that turnover you have to be VAT registered, doesn't matter what company type you run.

It's 10k or voluntary, if you buy a lot or are a small communal organisation for example.

EDIT : shaving off 24% from parts for a project like this buys a lot of booze though

EDIT 2 : I just calculated 2,5k (drivers, amps, crossover, connectors, cables, profiles, corners, wheels, handles, power distro, rack etc) to complete the system.. even if I had a day job it'd take several months to save or buy piece by piece so I might as well forget it for now (I didn't include parts for the tweeter array or monitors, and stuff like internal crossovers)

EDIT 3 : a cable case with wheels would be nice for hauling too.. but not a necessity.


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Here's a BOM :

- 2x Eminence Beta 15A
- 2x Eminence Beta 12A
- 4x Visaton KT 100V
- 2x Celestion CDX1-1010

- 2x T.Amp E800
- T.Amp E400
- T.Amp S-75
- DBX Driverack PA2

- 10-12RU rack with wheels
- 19" rack power distro
- 25m 16A CEE cable

- 2x 12" speaker grills
- 8x dish for sockets
- 8x Speakon NL4 connectors
- 12x handles
- 60m profile
- 64x corner pieces
- 32x rubber feet
- 2x4 wheels
- 4x fixed wheels
- 12x drawbolts

- 2x XLR female-male Y cable
- 8x 0,5m XLR patches
- 8x 20m Speakon cable

That's pretty much it.. I'm weighting the driver/amp/xover options as well as what's worth DIYing and what's not (mainly to pass the time until I get the funding sorted but to cut down expenses as well)

EDIT : it's missing stuff like paint, screws, bolts, cable for wiring, internal crossovers, cable ties/guides/holders etc.. with Crown amps it'd be like 3,5k

EDIT 2 : I hate to admit that it's made with a tight budget but cherry-picked on some parts.. you could probably put just about any drivers in it, I chose those because they were middle ground, ie. not the cheapest but not the most expensive either.

EDIT 3 : a cable case with wheels would be nice.. as well as cable bridges but not really a necessity


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 January 2019 at 10:55am
Why don't you get a pair of fane 12-250tc for a start? Put them in your 12" scoop and see what it sounds like. You can drive it with a hifi amp. Full range speaker. No need for crosspvers or anything else. You would get at least some kind of result.

You're overcomplicating your project. Look at what user app did on this forum. Two closed box 12" with the fane 12-250tc, two 18" reflex with a thomann 18" driver. Search for "dub disco lo-fi". He has been playing that set for two years iirc....

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