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Posted: 07 September 2010 at 11:58am |
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cheers for that Mick, ok sor far ive checked each stick of RAM individually and they all work, according to the Hynix website the RAM is 512 but windows is detecting each of the sticks as 1gb, any ideas why?
also is there somewhere in windows where i can identify the unbranded RAM? Edited by tweeter box - 07 September 2010 at 11:59am |
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Posted: 07 September 2010 at 12:10pm |
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OK if you are getting an error in identifying the RAM capacity then there is a problem possibly related to the difference between using only one slot and the 2 expected by the MB?
Yes 64x8 = 512 so that makes sense that you have 512Mb SIMMs 512's are quite old in the scheme of things, but it may be that Window$ is detecting all of your RAM as a single block perhaps? Unfortunately I'm nor a Window$ person, Linux these days!, so when assembling PC's I use the Bios for all of this rather than rely on installed Operating Systems... What does the Bios say you have as the detected RAM? Edited by audiomik - 07 September 2010 at 12:58pm |
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Posted: 07 September 2010 at 12:27pm |
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in the bios im getting:
Pentium P4 CPU 3.4ghz, system memory 2040mb
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OK, Have found what appears to be the ASUS Support page for you at:
http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=lWkFWt6I1Nykye1b&content=download you should find many answers here, it states it supports DDR Ram, at 3 different clock rates, which I'm sure is what you have - with all 4 SIMMS fitted at 512Mb each then you have 2048 MB or 2 Gb So i you have all 4 SIMMS in place, they should be properly working - just make certain each type of SIMM is in the same 'colour' socket. The MB info from ASUS states: Dual channel memory architecture 4 x 184-pin DIMM Sockets support max. 4GB PC3200/PC2700/PC2100 non-ECC DDR SDRAM memory so looks like you could upgrade to 4 1GB DDR PC3200 SIMMs for maximum performance if you want to! Hope this assists Mik Edited by audiomik - 07 September 2010 at 12:53pm |
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Posted: 07 September 2010 at 1:19pm |
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just a final point, often you need the 'memory test' function enabled in the Bios for it to detect changes in how much system memory is present and this might also be why you are getting 512Mb reported as 2GB if this option isn't enabled.....
Always difficult to describe these things in text form, but ever so easy and quick if the PC is on the bench in front of me! Mik |
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Posted: 07 September 2010 at 1:53pm |
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i agree with mik, i work in tech support, albeit 3rd line, i do occasionally have to deal with calls from people. and trying to describe jumper locations, memory slots etc is a nightmare, the ammount of time i just get them to take a picture of whatever it is they are trying to fix and i draw all over it in paint with where things need to go and what to do etc.
with regards to miks comment about upgrading to 4x 1gb sticks of RAM, this is possible, although if you choose to do this, your windows operating system (if 32bit) will only detect approx 3.6gb of ram, its complicated as to why, but has alot to do with 32-bit addressing etc, but wayyy above what you need to know.
Regarding johnnys comment about GFX memory being taken into account is correct, so for example, if i have a 32-bit operating system, 4gb of RAM and a 1gb 'dedicated' graphics card, the system would only 'see' between 2.4gig and 3gig of actual RAM. although in reality, it would address upto about 3.2gig due to the likelyhood of you runnig your gfxcard at 100% useage 24/7.
If you need any more help with things such as this just throw me a PM. I tend to deal with this stuff all day.
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Posted: 07 September 2010 at 2:15pm |
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Re: "your windows operating system (if 32bit) will only detect approx 3.6gb of ram,"
a while ago there used to be a really useful utility program called QEMM which ran from boot with a command in 'config.sys' - it accessed as much RAM as the system had for the OS - MS DOS or Window$ isn't there a more up to date version of something similar? Mik |
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Posted: 07 September 2010 at 3:34pm |
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cheers guys for the help havent got a graphics card installed in any of the slots, im just using the onboard graphics, got 2 of the RAMS in so that 2gb, which im hoping will be more than adequate for running traktor alone
turned out one of the sticks was faulty so ive decided to take the other matching stick out aswell n just stick with the 2gb
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Posted: 07 September 2010 at 5:38pm |
its basic computer maths.. basically on a binary system, which is what PC's operate on, the total addressable memory is linked to the operating system on a 32bit Operating system, the operating system can address (read: address, basically means 'use') 2 ^ 32 bytes of ram, which equates to 4GB. The reason 3.xx GB of ram is quoted as useable on a 32-bit operating system, is because there are various deductions, the various cache's on motherboard, cpu, gfx card, gfx memory, etc etc. so in reality on a modern day PC is somewhere between 3.4gb anfd 3.6gb with a 256mb gfxcard installed. The program you speak of would effectivly do nothing, yes it may make the operating system 'read' the memory, however the nature of a 32-bit operating system means it cant write to the extra memory, this program was useful say, on older machines to break windows 3.1 and 95 locks on memory capacities and utilise the full 32-bit nature of the machine. so even if you could make your 32-bit os read 16gb of memory, it would only every use the 3.xx gb anyway because it wouldnt even know the rest of it existed, infact this program can break things further, because programmes running on a 32-bit os only know the 2^32 memory locations, when it starts writing and the memory is almost full, it may accidently write into a memory space that it can never access because it doesnt know how. this is why 64-bit operating systems were introduced, and also why most programmes you download will ask you if you have either or operating system platform, because programmes written for 64-bit operating systems, will have the knowledge of memory addresses upto 2^64 bytes, which is something like 16 trillion GB, in the PC wodl this is considered infinite, and if we ever get upto that memory capability, a 128bit platform would have to be developed. /end essay. Edited by LondonTowers - 07 September 2010 at 5:39pm |
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Posted: 07 September 2010 at 5:53pm |
Can you not get around this by enabling "memory hole remapping" in the BIOS?
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Posted: 07 September 2010 at 6:23pm |
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nope. the most reliable way to do it , is just install a 64bit os and be done with it :)
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