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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nitz V1505 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2013 at 7:01am
I meant mid tops. dumb smart phone
LET THE BASS ROLL LIKE THUNDER
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Originally posted by peter_p peter_p wrote:

Personally I don't like the colour.
 
I also feel the spekons look really bad. They don't give me a pro feeling or that I've got something that is very well though out for my cash. The gold grilles behind the ports also look cheap and like an after thought. Also don't like the mount that is holding the bass mid driver in place. Looks like a mis match between a car sub and a PA cab. For me its all glame, but I feel there needs to be a mix of complex engineering to go with the glame.
 
Take a look at the riders from the top DJ's at the moment and they all spec 2 or 3 smaller line array midtops on a couple of subs per side. The cabs they are specing have a hi degree of engineering to them so they look hardcore from an industrial perspective yet also have great styling.
 
Treat the design as if it were a tool Tony, but give it a personality.
 
 
Peter, I welcome everyone views on here because over the years I've learnt, as in Government, it's essensual to have good opposition and of course on here it gives me an insight to other peoples ways of thinking.
Here's the points you have missed, I've created what was in my mind, and it was a test bed for materials, that I hadn't used before. Flexi ply, Metal Flake etc. These two boxes are mine and not for sale and they are the only two that I will build.
I work constantly with my rig, that is my test bed for future things, and I don't get presented with DJ's requirements.
I wanted to get a look that hadn't been done before. whether people liked it or not wasn't ever going to be an issue.
I'm usually only interested in Sound and try not to fall into the "Form over Function" syndrome, and when I did the Grill surrounds it was also creating something simple that hadn't been done before. I've always hated the normal round Mesh grills, so I stuck two bits of ply together and started to machine the surrounds to make them look a bit beefier than normal. The shape isn't anything new, Similar shapes exist in the Hi Fi market and acoustically, it makes sense. But, once again it was a first for me, and I had to use some grey matter to figure it all out. No drawings exist for this sort of thing and I made it up as I went along. I achieved what I set out to do without the aid of a safety net. I never set out to impress anyone, only to show what has lately been on my mind.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote To Old Now Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2013 at 11:06am
Its like the good old days in the 70's if you could not find what you wanted you had a go at making it. Not buying some thing of the shelf like it is today.! he he
Keep the gray matter going Tony! I think its how we keep young.
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Originally posted by peter_p peter_p wrote:

Let me explain this simply. Engineering can have more than one meaning. Some do it with sound, others mechanically. Quite aware that Tony knows sound.

Here's an example of great engineering done with stlye.
 
 
I wouldn't care how that sounds if I were a DJ. I just know I would want that next to me to make me look even better than I think I already am.
 
This example even has curves.
 
Again, I wouldn't want to hear it, but who ever's stood next to that is really going to look like they know what they are doing. It won't let ya image down and shouts sophistication. Its no wonder L Acoustics, Nexo and D&B are on most DJ's riders for monitors. You and me both know theres no way a system like that should be used for monitoring, but when you ask DJ's why they spec it they say its for looks and its a known quantity.
 
If anyone out there can bring sophisticated and glamorous levels of mechanical engineering to a speaker cab its Tony.
 
I have a feeling I'm playing the game on here all wrong and should have lied and said, wow its so amazing. Everyone else I know would have done that.
 

I would ALWAYS rather stand next to speakers that sound awesome.  I never don't care how they sound.  If they look good too, that is just a bonus.
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Tony, is the gold paint Plasti-kote by any chance? A place i used to work at used it on a commercial product as a colour over resin and wood products. It is as soft as!! In the past we had a base coat laquer combination that made it pretty stable but we stopped being able to get one of the components and nothing else we tried was stable and you could scrape it off with your finger nail. I cant remember what we used that used to work but I can find out if its of interest to you. I think the base coat was pre-cat.
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Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyPyro JohnnyPyro wrote:

Tony .. have you tried any marine products? IIRC awlgrip do a pretty tasty laquer, should be harder wearing than the car stuff
The hardness of the paint isn't the problem. There are two issues. One is that the wood underneath being Flexiply is not as hard as Birch, and although I finished these in Acid Cat, which I used as a propellent for the Silver Metal Flake, I could use 2 pack which would be harder. The cabinets are stiff enough because they are fiber glassed inside. The second issue is the gold paint. It still takes a fingerprint and continues to sink into the ply that I made the speaker grill surround out of. It is more stable on the horns which are Fiberglass, although I painted them with 2 pack before the gold went on. I just need to find a lacquer that won't discolour the Gold. The Gold paint which is straight out an Aerosol can is very strange, It reacts on Acid Cat, which is why I ended up buy 10 cans of the stuff just to get where I'm at. Gold doesn't exsist as normal paint. You can get any amount of car gold paints but they are not the right colour gold. Anyway I will try another idea I have up my sleeve. So it will back to B and Q for the Gold.

oh right, wasnt aware that the driver suround was made from ply, could you not make a fibreglass mould  of it? might be worthwhile, sounds like you could have a sale on more of these
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They just look really cool! Its a niche market but i would love to have a pair.
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Originally posted by AJordan AJordan wrote:

Tony, is the gold paint Plasti-kote by any chance? A place i used to work at used it on a commercial product as a colour over resin and wood products. It is as soft as!! In the past we had a base coat laquer combination that made it pretty stable but we stopped being able to get one of the components and nothing else we tried was stable and you could scrape it off with your finger nail. I cant remember what we used that used to work but I can find out if its of interest to you. I think the base coat was pre-cat.
The Gold is Plasti-kote. I think it's a superb colour and definitely the best gold I tried out of 4. But Unless I can get a clearcoat over the top that won't discolour it, it will have to go. I am going to try normal cellulose first. If that doesn't react, I know I can spray 2 pack or polyester onto the lacquer. I used to do this with logos on the headstocks of Guitars. The polyester always lifted the letraset logos, so we sprayed them with normal cellulose out of the can and then put the polyester on afterwards. No problems after that. It's going to work out as expensive as Gold Leaf the way it's going.
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tony have you tried just putting a gel coat on the ply, then spraying the gold on to the gel coat... Yacht varnish it is the tuffest clear non colouring laquer ive found so far. I liked the ease in which 2 part laquer goes on but not the diss colouring it can cause....
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Tony if it's any help this is the gold powder coat I used on some replica olympic torches last year. It's about as close as you can get to real gold with paint.


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Originally posted by bee bee wrote:

tony have you tried just putting a gel coat on the ply, then spraying the gold on to the gel coat... Yacht varnish it is the tuffest clear non colouring laquer ive found so far. I liked the ease in which 2 part laquer goes on but not the diss colouring it can cause....

Gel coat doesnt air dry and yacht varnish is the biggest advertising bollocks on the market LOL it wouldnt last a month in real marine environment


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Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

The hardness of the paint isn't the problem. There are two issues. One is that the wood underneath being Flexiply is not as hard as Birch, and although I finished these in Acid Cat, which I used as a propellent for the Silver Metal Flake, I could use 2 pack which would be harder.


When you use two layers of flexiply with quite some glue in between, it becomes very hard.

I always use two layers of 8 mm thick flexiply for the slides in my scoops. Afterwards some floor paint on it from both sides and it becomes almost as hard as stone.

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