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Originally posted by markie markie wrote:

Tony if it's any help this is the gold powder coat I used on some replica olympic torches last year. It's about as close as you can get to real gold with paint.


If you like I'll get the RAL code for you.

Markie, That looks pretty good I'm with my powder coating people tomorrow. I'll see what they say. I don't want to end up having to buy a sack load just for my bits, Still if it's good, I could have everything done in it. Thanks very much.
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Originally posted by Ras Loud Ras Loud wrote:

Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

The hardness of the paint isn't the problem. There are two issues. One is that the wood underneath being Flexiply is not as hard as Birch, and although I finished these in Acid Cat, which I used as a propellent for the Silver Metal Flake, I could use 2 pack which would be harder.


When you use two layers of flexiply with quite some glue in between, it becomes very hard.

I always use two layers of 8 mm thick flexiply for the slides in my scoops. Afterwards some floor paint on it from both sides and it becomes almost as hard as stone.

What I found was - that the Wood became very taught and ended up with a high resonance that was out of bass range, but I still felt the material was softer than ply and would dent easier. As you might have read, I only used one layer but I fiberglassed the inside. The box does feel hard but I think if you dig your nail in it would feel softer than Birch ply.
Incidentally, When I used to use curves in the Scoops we used to use Layers of normal ply, but it was made easier because we used to run the ply in the grooves.
Before these cabs, I'd only used flexiply when making curved Bar fronts for a club. It's a pity it only bends one way.
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Originally posted by b grade b grade wrote:

Originally posted by peter_p peter_p wrote:

Let me explain this simply. Engineering can have more than one meaning. Some do it with sound, others mechanically. Quite aware that Tony knows sound.

Here's an example of great engineering done with stlye.
 
 
I wouldn't care how that sounds if I were a DJ. I just know I would want that next to me to make me look even better than I think I already am.
 
This example even has curves.
 
Again, I wouldn't want to hear it, but who ever's stood next to that is really going to look like they know what they are doing. It won't let ya image down and shouts sophistication. Its no wonder L Acoustics, Nexo and D&B are on most DJ's riders for monitors. You and me both know theres no way a system like that should be used for monitoring, but when you ask DJ's why they spec it they say its for looks and its a known quantity.
 
If anyone out there can bring sophisticated and glamorous levels of mechanical engineering to a speaker cab its Tony.
 
I have a feeling I'm playing the game on here all wrong and should have lied and said, wow its so amazing. Everyone else I know would have done that.
 

I would ALWAYS rather stand next to speakers that sound awesome.  I never don't care how they sound.  If they look good too, that is just a bonus.
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Originally posted by peter_p peter_p wrote:

Personally I don't like the colour.
 
I also feel the spekons look really bad. They don't give me a pro feeling or that I've got something that is very well though out for my cash. The gold grilles behind the ports also look cheap and like an after thought. Also don't like the mount that is holding the bass mid driver in place. Looks like a mis match between a car sub and a PA cab. For me its all glame, but I feel there needs to be a mix of complex engineering to go with the glame.
 
Take a look at the riders from the top DJ's at the moment and they all spec 2 or 3 smaller line array midtops on a couple of subs per side. The cabs they are specing have a hi degree of engineering to them so they look hardcore from an industrial perspective yet also have great styling.
 
Treat the design as if it were a tool Tony, but give it a personality.
 
Spekons.. ??? Whadya mean spekons?... Glame, I think you mean GLAM. They are clearly not available for cash. This is a one off project that a builder has shared with us. You may not like it Peter P, but you will be on your own. I applaud loudly sharing such projects.
 
If Tony wanted it to be 'complex engineering' AKA bullshit,  he would of called them his new flared jobs.
 
This is a pair of cabs created by a guy who lives and breathes speakers, like many of us. It's our 'bag' we love it. Individuals are of course entitled to their opinion, we are on the other hand entiled to think line array for a bloody DJ monitor is bollox.
 
Now show us your projects Peter P.
 
Thats just my opinion of course Smile


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Originally posted by Muckerbarnes1 Muckerbarnes1 wrote:

Now show us your projects Peter P
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Originally posted by bitSmasher bitSmasher wrote:

Originally posted by Muckerbarnes1 Muckerbarnes1 wrote:

Now show us your projects Peter P
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Gel coat as in fibre glass gel coat, the first layer used before you add matting.... Does not dry in air if you don't add hardner correct......

Yacht varnish works very well on cabs, I've used it on bare wood finished cabs for cliant on a budget, that can't afford to stretch to 2 part varnish..... Does the job great, I'm not referring to the crap u can buy at b&q, but the propa stuff you get from a boat yard. I get mine from the boat yard in brentford....

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These look really nice. Definite niche market!
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