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Conanski
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Yes... If the DSP will allow you to do that. Can you assign more than 1 input to an output?
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Jack1991
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Cool yes i am fairly certain it allows you to route 2 inputs to all 4 outputs. I will check shortly just got home. So here is how i previously had it set up before i had the dsp. I just connected my phone via the aux, then each rca went to 1 channel each of the amplfier. It worked perfectly fine like that. Here is how i now have it connected to the DSP. This is where it did not work unless my phone was at max volume. The input light on the dsp did also not light up unless my phone was at max volume. So it goes Mobile phone into the aux which goes to the 1/4 jack input 1 of the dsp, which is routed to all 4 outputs of the dsp. The 4 outputs are also 1/4 jack which then each go to their own channel of the amplifier which are RCA inputs. 4 channel amplifier. Edited by Jack1991 - 18 April 2021 at 7:28pm |
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Conanski
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This splitter cable, are those RCA connectors uder the shrink wrap or 1/4 jacks?? If they are RCA then you could disconnect the section on the left, add a couple RCA to 1/4 adapters and use that to attach the phone.
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Jack1991
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Yes they are also RCA under the shrink wrap. Cool yeh i will do that. So its literally just that and then it will work fine?
Also I assume i would leave the input gain as it is set standard at 0db. And just adjust the output gains of each channel? Thanks again
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Conanski
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Yes should do it, your phone will still need to be cranked up pretty high but this should work better than it did before.
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toastyghost
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In that last photo, you have a 1/8” TRS jack on the red cable, going to what I presume is a right angled 1/4” TRS jack?
If so, you’re taking a stereo output from your phone and feeding it into a balanced mono input. A balanced jack connection expects a polarity inverted signal on the ring, which is used to remove noise from the signal. You’re sending the right channel there instead... Your DSP has two inputs, I presume? You need 1x 1/8” TRS to 2x 1/4” TS jack connectors, and one of those jacks will go into each DSP input. The connection will be unbalanced, so keep the cable length reasonably short. Essentially this. |
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Jack1991
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Yes 1/8 going into a angled 1/4 jack. I only got a angled one so it fits inside my box easier. But cool yeh cheers i didnt know about that till yourself and Conanski mentioned it. Thanks for that i will get myself one of those cables and try that. Also yes the dsp has 4 inputs and 4 outputs. All are 1/4 jack. I can route the 2 inputs then to all 4 outputs
Edited by Jack1991 - 19 April 2021 at 8:38am |
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Jack1991
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So just out of interest to try and understand it better. Would a Stereo 1/4 jack adapter with the 2 rings like this also work aswell?
(instead of the Y splitter cable obviously)
So it would go 1/8 jack from my mobile phone to the Stereo 1/4 jack adapter into the dsp input 1.
Edited by Jack1991 - 19 April 2021 at 9:35am |
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toastyghost
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Nope. You’d have a similar issue, although it wouldn’t be shorted physically like you have now with a 1/4” TS jack. The inputs on the DSP are for a single channel. Using a TRS connector on those inputs would only work for a balanced connection, which your phone doesn’t have. You need to split the connection to get stereo into the DSP. Don’t forget you’ll need to adjust your settings to suit, otherwise you’ll only be outputting the left channel to the amp. One thing I think a lot of people miss with this stuff is that it becomes a lot easier to understand if you get a pen out and drawing a block diagram of the signal flow. Don’t worry, it often seems to be forgotten a lot even at the ‘professional’ level for gigs or installations where things are way more complicated. That’s the sort of thing that bites you in the arse when the client wants to change something and you can’t remember exactly what clever idea you had back on install day, or worse, some other contractor has messed with it... Anyway. The manual for the DSP probably has one for the stuff it does internally that could be a start point, but if you want to keep things simple just draw it as a box with the correct number of ins and outs. Make it large enough that you can join the input(s) to the output(s) accordingly inside the box. Use a pencil perhaps, because you’ll probably want to change it or spot a mistake. See how you get on. It also seems like you’re coming at this stuff fresh so I’d suggest the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook. Either buying a physical copy or tracking down a PDF if that’s your thing. It’s ancient but the principles in it are still valid and the flow of the book seems to work well for a lot of people. |
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Jack1991
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Cool ok cheers yeh that makes sense then.
So yeh with the settings on the dsp its just a 'matrix' tab on the software that you can choose where to send each input to each output. Heres a photo straight off the website for the dsp of the matrix tab of the dsp software. The green lit up bits arent how i have it set this is just a screenshot off the website so you can get the jist of what i mean. But i assume i would just send input 1 & input 2, both to all 4 outputs? Edited by Jack1991 - 19 April 2021 at 11:50am |
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Jack1991
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Ok so Conanski i have tried your suggestion and unfortunately it has not worked and the outcome was exactly the same as before, with the input lights only lighting up when having my phone on max volume.
Mobile phone plugged into the cable pictured here: I already had this cable so tried this way first. Would this cable be the same as using the cable toastyghost suggested? Or is the RCA cable the problem? Edited by Jack1991 - 19 April 2021 at 9:09pm |
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Conanski
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What signal level are you seeing on the DSP inputs?
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