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Augusts ![]() Registered User ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 January 2017 Status: Offline Points: 150 |
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Hi!
A am about to make a compact project of PD 10". As I understad the centers of cones should be as close as possibe, I need to maximally awoyd phase issues, as I want them to be crossed at 4k In the middle a CD, something like a line array but with 90x50 coverage Something like this
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toastyghost ![]() The 10,000 Points Club ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 January 2007 Location: Manchester Status: Offline Points: 10866 |
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You’d need the centre to centre spacing to be 21 millimetres to be within 1/4 lambda (0.25 milliseconds) at 4 kHz.
Perhaps you might want to rethink that choice. The cabinet you’re comparing to crosses from the LF section to the cone midrange on the coaxial horn they’ve designed at a much, much lower frequency than that. Even that cone midrange can’t hit 4 kHz without beaming, and it uses the HF horn as a phase plug. |
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Tinnitus Rex ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 31 October 2020 Status: Offline Points: 272 |
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just use one 10" or use a coax driver, problem solved. Using two drivers is only useful when you desire cancellation, like horizintal line array ellements do . If its a vertical box you would never locate the hf in between two drivers as you create twice the problems above and below the vertical axis and practicality dictates that you need the hf as high as possible if ground stacked. Copy something good already available , These days, I think you will be dissapointed if you to try to reinvent the wheel.
Edited by Tinnitus Rex - 24 August 2021 at 8:52pm |
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"couldn't we just like... use headphones?"
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FOO ![]() Young Croc ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 December 2018 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 669 |
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Eeeeh say what? Outline Spektra OHM TRS212 and MD-MH DAS Audio ST215 Seeburg K20 and K24 Seeburg A2 and A3 Amate Audio X102FD and P212a Just to name a few boxes with this allingment. Most of them are really nice and loud sounding. OHM MD-MH is insanity!! |
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Tinnitus Rex ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 31 October 2020 Status: Offline Points: 272 |
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Those are horn loaded.........................did I miss something
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"couldn't we just like... use headphones?"
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FOO ![]() Young Croc ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 December 2018 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 669 |
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Yes you did. Half of them are reflex. Outline Spektra is one of them. A real beast.
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Augusts ![]() Registered User ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 January 2017 Status: Offline Points: 150 |
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Im thinking of crossing the bottom one 140-500 with passive high qual Low pass filter so 17,7cm cone to cone and the upper one just see how it does the high freq stuff, if I need to cross lower , I Have BMS 1" 4550 :800-up to 20kHz and large faital tactrix horns..
like so. the black ones angled 10" PD and the green one the 60x50 horn. Red line center to center ![]() |
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Conanski ![]() Old Croc ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 January 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 2360 |
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Just drop the crossover freq down to about 1khz or whatever the horn supports and experiment from there to get the best sound quality.
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Xoc1 ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 15 October 2012 Location: Devon UK Status: Offline Points: 324 |
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MTM mid tops (with the tweeter in the middle) have a horizontally alligned dispersion characteristic which makes them useful for certain applications. I like their in your face when you stand up in front of the speakers, foccussed sound for small venue PA system.
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JonB67 ![]() Young Croc ![]() Joined: 22 April 2016 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 1366 |
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There's some interesting discussions and info on mtm, if you google d'appolito array/arrangement/configuration you should be able to find some more thoughts on its pros and cons.
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toastyghost ![]() The 10,000 Points Club ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 January 2007 Location: Manchester Status: Offline Points: 10866 |
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D’Appolito does not apply to any old MTM configuration. It requires specific fourth order slopes to broaden the vertical coverage and maintain phase coherency. That dictates spacing and loading somewhat. The real benefit of MTM is the vertical polar response. Especially if you’re able to design the system based on the use of all-pass or FIR filtering (based off anechoic listening window data) to adapt the off-axis response. |
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JonB67 ![]() Young Croc ![]() Joined: 22 April 2016 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 1366 |
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Im aware its a specific thing, but it was in discussions and info on the d'appolito arrangement that I found out about the pros and cons of mtm
I didn't suggest he used the d'appolito arrangement, just that googling it was a source of some info.
Edited by JonB67 - 27 August 2021 at 8:19pm |
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