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    Posted: 15 November 2023 at 12:40pm
Hello and Greetings everyone

I was wondering if anyone was in the know of Scoop plans for the eighteensound 18LW2420 (updated model of the 18LW2400) or eighteensound 18LW2600 woofers?




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Originally posted by KlaasBlackPaw KlaasBlackPaw wrote:

Hello and Greetings everyone

I was wondering if anyone was in the know of Scoop plans for the eighteensound 18LW2420 (updated model of the 18LW2400) or eighteensound 18nlw4500 woofers?


I would suggest, 18LW2420, would be more optimal, in a reflex cab, and I actually have 4x in reflex cabs.

Any particular reason you are choosing 18nlw4500?
Be aware, it has cutout of 422mm and depth of 233mm.

Also be aware, it has a  no of 1.8, which means it really will require more power, for desired SPL, than many other drivers.



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Ah Levyte, I was hoping to find a reply from you on here :)

The reason I suggested LW2420 or NLW4500 is because both are suitable for hornloaded applications, and have the xmax/freq range desired. 
I'm a total newby when it comes to designing / reading T/S parameters so I just chose based on the parameters I knew / woofers I knew.

So even though the LW2420 are suitable for hornloaded applications, you'd suggest putting them in BR?
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Ah I see my fault, it meant to say 18LW2600, not the NLW4500***
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Originally posted by KlaasBlackPaw KlaasBlackPaw wrote:

Ah I see my fault, it meant to say 18LW2600, not the NLW4500***


OK, the 18LW2600 t/s parms, definitely suggest, it would be optimal in right Scoop.

This would be a great starting point, for a cab for this driver, but, needs mods, so driver will fit, with sufficient rear clearance.







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Lev, why do you think 2420 is not good for scoops?
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is there a suggested design online for that driver on the 18sound site? have a butchers 
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Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Lev, why do you think 2420 is not good for scoops?


Obviously different people desire different response from their Scoops.

Think Rog actually said it initially , and my modelling confirmed it, and Mykey actually said it.

BL approx 25, will give you pretty flat response in Scoops, High BL >= 30, gives you the 40hz bang, flattened out by stack of 2x - 4x.
This is possible reason many used to say, in Scoops, Fane 18XB was more musical than 1850, more warm sounding, but not the killer 40hz bang.

Also the EBP of < 100, also suggests better in a reflex.


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Do you think Martin Audio were idiots when they put 18TBX100 in the last generation of the WSX? Or the D&B Audio at their B2? Or many many other professionals?
2420 is more modern variant than 18TBX100.
I remember the days when you said 18NLW9601 is not good for scoops :)
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Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Do you think Martin Audio were idiots when they put 18TBX100 in the last generation of the WSX? Or the D&B Audio at their B2? Or many many other professionals?
2420 is more modern variant than 18TBX100.
I remember the days when you said 18NLW9601 is not good for scoops :)


Think people who use FLH, are looking for different sound, to those who use Scoops.

Scoops dudes prioritize huge sensitivity @40hz, with sub warmth, FLH fans prefer clean, uniform response.
Reggae Scoop dudes, will use Pre-amp to shape sub, FLH dudes tend to stick with just Mixer and LMS.

I actually use LMS and bass pre, to shape Scoop sound.LOL
Also 18NLW9601, is a Rolls Royce sub driver, but really needs substantial power input, and right sub shaping to get "warm" sound.


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Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Do you think Martin Audio were idiots when they put 18TBX100 in the last generation of the WSX? Or the D&B Audio at their B2? Or many many other professionals?


Also you will find feedback from many people, who built their own WSXs, and loaded them with Void V18-1000, reported superior performance, than original cabs with original drivers.

Response would not be as uniform 30-100hz, but 40-50hz would have substantial peak,due to V18-1000 30+ BL.
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