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    Posted: 12 August 2021 at 2:57pm
Has anyone built, or heard the 2x12 mid horn, on pages 40-41, of the Fane "Loudspeaker Enclosure Design and Construction" book?

Link to the plan here:

http://hornplans.free.fr/2x12%20front%20horn%20loaded.jpg

Interested to hear what anyone thinks, if anyone's done any Hornresp simulations, if you've heard them, or built them?

Lots of dodgy angles though - might make the build difficult.
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Also, what drivers would people recommend, if I were to build some today?
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Old, old design.

Not sure of your desired resp range, but Would suggest MT121s, loaded with B&Cs, 18sound or PDs,  and they will do 160hz to 1200hz (with flattening eq), no problem.

2" above that, with large horn, for industrial strength tops, that can cover 2000ppl, inside or out, with 6x cabs.
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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Old, old design.


I am looking to build eight of the half width Jensen Imperial's, that another forum member here built ten years ago.

Looking to see if there's life in some of the old designs.

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Not sure of your desired resp range [...]


Crossover at 200 Hz, to the mids, with a possible exit at 1 kHz.

The plans aren't set in stone, and the bass cabs will be built first. So looking to collect opinions, thoughts, etc. - especially if anyone has heard them, or built them.

Absolutely no information on here about them, aside from one thread, years ago.
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If also interested in how low they could go, in a stack three high? More for curiosity, than anything else.
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Originally posted by Chris LDN Chris LDN wrote:

Has anyone built, or heard the 2x12 mid horn, on pages 40-41, of the Fane "Loudspeaker Enclosure Design and Construction" book?

Link to the plan here:

http://hornplans.free.fr/2x12%20front%20horn%20loaded.jpg

Interested to hear what anyone thinks, if anyone's done any Hornresp simulations, if you've heard them, or built them?

Lots of dodgy angles though - might make the build difficult.
The shape of these is like the wonderful sounding , horrible to transport Martin 115s and other trapezoidal cabs.
Whatever internal design you pick,dont make them with crazy external angles.
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Yes, I like the martin 115/215 bins. That's why using a similar cab for mids has my interest. Also wondering if a stack of three high, might play low enough, with judicial driver selection, to be sufficient on kick heavy music, to form a not so micro, "micro stack". Think funk, R&B, soul, etc.

Otherwise, still interested on how they will sound for mids - vocals, especially.
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 Above 100 Hz Three high of anything creates vertical cancelations that often outway any benefits.Point source power density is a better direction .
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Originally posted by Chris LDN Chris LDN wrote:


Interested to hear what anyone thinks, if anyone's done any Hornresp simulations, if you've heard them, or built them?


https://www.hometheatershack.com/threads/hornresp-for-dum-hmm-everyone.36532/

Have at it. There's not a lot to the design, although take any data from Hornresp >1000 Hz with a pinch of salt.
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Hi Chris, I had a go at one of the old fane book designs. I chopped and hacked it a bit.  I was just looking through the book and knocked it up one in a morning, I think. J
ust to hear what it sounded like. It was pretty ok. So I made another one looking like the pic just because I could. 
I really like how they sound I have 4x and taken them to a fare few gigs now never had anything other compliments. I do do mainly tekno and psy gigs maybe why. But I really like how the voice sounds . 
Just my experience. I would say knock up one with cheap ply or mdf and have a listen you might like it.


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Originally posted by doller doller wrote:

Hi Chris, I had a go at one of the old fane book designs. I chopped and hacked it a bit.  I was just looking through the book and knocked it up one in a morning, I think. J
ust to hear what it sounded like. It was pretty ok. So I made another one looking like the pic just because I could. 
I really like how they sound I have 4x and taken them to a fare few gigs now never had anything other compliments. I do do mainly tekno and psy gigs maybe why. But I really like how the voice sounds . 
Just my experience. I would say knock up one with cheap ply or mdf and have a listen you might like it.


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Originally posted by toastyghost toastyghost wrote:

https://www.hometheatershack.com/threads/hornresp-for-dum-hmm-everyone.36532/

Have at it. There's not a lot to the design, although take any data from Hornresp >1000 Hz with a pinch of salt.

Unfortunately, Hornresp is limited to the Windows operating system - which I don't use, nor do I know anyone personally who does (unless they're keeping it a tight secret).

Can't use Wine, as I'm not using an x86/x64 device either.

If I knew the step by step maths Hornresp uses, I could knock up something myself, but the author doesn't want to divulge, last time I looked. It's a shame, as reading the history of Hornresp, the author created the original in Fortran - so he would be able to release a cross platform version, if he so desired.

Originally posted by doller doller wrote:

Hi Chris, I had a go at one of the old fane book designs. I chopped and hacked it a bit. I was just looking through the book and knocked it up one in a morning, I think. J
ust to hear what it sounded like. It was pretty ok. So I made another one looking like the pic just because I could.
I really like how they sound I have 4x and taken them to a fare few gigs now never had anything other compliments. I do do mainly tekno and psy gigs maybe why. But I really like how the voice sounds .
Just my experience. I would say knock up one with cheap ply or mdf and have a listen you might like it.


Hi dollar - that looks fantastic! Well done.

I think I will take your advice, and build one or two, just to see for myself. The Fane book states it's a 1.2 sheet affair, so shouldn't take too long.

I'm still open to other peoples thoughts, and ideas though. Just in case anyone else reading this, is thinking case closed, thread locked. No...
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