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    Posted: 12 September 2017 at 2:20pm

I have been looking through the forums and studying a bit… I see some conflicting opinions and I think it is best to ask the advice and the this extremely knowledgable community for a final decision for my first mini-system build.

I plan to build 4 boxes to combine with my old (but sturdy) JBL JRX 100’s to get the best system I can for mostly TECHNO play but not exclusively.

From what I have read so far I am dreaming of (2) X1’s and (2) HD15’s but there are two three points I would love a little clarification on if anyone has a moment:


1) are those 4 dream boxes together even a good choice to combine with my JBL tops (I will change them to better tops in the future) or am I going to heavy on the low end?

2) Related to my first question; The HD15 plans says it should only be used in systems with minimum 6 bins, it does seem that makes it an inappropriate choice for me. Assuming that is the case, does anyone have a recommendation on the best unit to combine with 2 X1’s and the JBL tops? 

Any suggestion on configuration would be highly appreciated!

3) Regarding the X1 plans; It seems the original SD18 driver used is no longer in production. The SD18-1700EL has the following disclaimer on the Bluearan website “Please note - this is not the same driver as the original SD18 specified for X1 subwoofer - there will be differences in performance. In the X1 we recommend maximum power of around 1000W 

I HAVE seen this post: https://forum.speakerplans.com/x1--and-graphs-with-diferent-drivers_topic9161. - https://forum.speakerplans.com/x1-data-and-graphs-with-diferent-drivers_topic9161.html but am still having some trouble deciphering the best driver to use.

Does anyone have a definitive / empirical suggestion on the best quality driver to use with the X1 plan?


Thank you all in advance, all very exciting!



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The 1850 folded horn seems wonderful.

If combined with two bins and my JBL JRX100's would this be a well rounded starter system?

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Which JRX? If its 2*15 it is kind of missing the point to build kicks and have separatly 2*15. Wiser solution can be getting horns. Punisher, 186, 1850...
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Thanks @gen0me

Yes 2*15

So you are suggesting to use 2*1850's with the JBL's ?



 


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Yes thats good option for techno.
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Originally posted by sugerman sugerman wrote:

Thanks @<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; : rgb251, 251, 253;">gen0me</span>

Yes 2*15

So you are suggesting to use 2*1850's with the JBL's ?<span style="white-space:pre">     </span>



 



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1850/186 are pretty useless in pairs they really are best in 4 or pref 6+ they roll off at like 50hz
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2*1850 + 2*JBL JRX100 (15") not worth it?

would 2*X1 (or 4*x1) + 2*JBL JRX100 (15") be better?

I can afford to build 4 X1's but not 4 1850's

Any advice greatly appreciated




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Would either of the following be a nicely rounded sound with deep hard bass for 100 people?

2*G Subs + 2*JBL JRX 100 15"

2*X1 (Using P-Audio SD18-1700EL (Mk2 version)) + 2*JBL JRX 100 15" 


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Build gsubs they are bigger, but easier to build. They will give a nice stacking height. With gsubs you have a wider choice of drivers. For the x1 you need a fairly expensive driver, like void v-1000 or on a budget pd186.... Cheaper woofers will be torn apart in the x1 if driven hard.

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Originally posted by bob4 bob4 wrote:

Build gsubs they are bigger, but easier to build. They will give a nice stacking height. With gsubs you have a wider choice of drivers. For the x1 you need a fairly expensive driver, like void v-1000 or on a budget pd186.... Cheaper woofers will be torn apart in the x1 if driven hard.


Thank you @bob4....

I do not mind the difficulty or buying a more expensive driver if I can get away with only using TWO X1's - Do you think 2*X1's plus the JBL's would create a full enough sound? I really like the design of the X1 so, hoping I can use them but will for the reflex bins if they will be better function in my case...

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Originally posted by mini-mad mini-mad wrote:

Originally posted by sugerman sugerman wrote:

Thanks @<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; : rgb251, 251, 253;">gen0me</span>

Yes 2*15

So you are suggesting to use 2*1850's with the JBL's ?<span style="white-space:pre">     </span>



 



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+1 on that. Build 4 1850s. They work better in multiples and it will give you room for expansion later if you change your mid/tops. Your 15s should give you enough upper kick to not need HDs.
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