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    Posted: 07 August 2012 at 2:57pm
Reggae music is also known as poor man music, or people who don't care about money and status.
When i was a youth i was dreaming about building my own sound but ofcourse due the lack of knowhow (no internet in that time), knowledge and money it was only a dream.
Since i have stabilised my life i started to collect vynil, equipment etc. but family allways comes first.
so every extra € i have and can permit to buy anything for the sound will be used.
I can do this because i work hard to fund this, even then i mostly check out 2nd hand sales and things like that.

What's going on with the sounds who uses 10K digital lightweight power amps of 6grand, preamps of 1.5grand, bass drivers of 1/2 grand a pcs and so on.

A big sound who travels across europe with their sound and having weekly dances are mostly self providing sounds who earn themselves back.

But i've seen enough "unkown" or "little" sounds with the most expensive equipment like it's nothing.
For me, as father and husband it's unthinkable to gain funds like that.

I write this as i don't understand this "i have the best, most expensive and heaviest sound" thing.
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To each their own.

To some, soundsystems are a passionate hobby, to others, it must pay for itself.

For s soundsystem to finance itself, and pay storage/transport bills, it must be of a certain quality, and reliability.

Famous music dude once told me, takes money to make money.


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A lot of new sounds Think they can buy their way into the game but it doesn't work like that & some sounds play all over the country for free just to get noticed . When sounds start playing for free it makes it hard for other sounds to make a wage so it's really counterproductive ! A better way would be for a set price for new sounds to be paid & veteran sounds alike !! The soundchecks aren't helping neither because rather than having a dance people are paying time & time again to check this & that , which means when they do have a dance half of the patrons have heard them several times already so won't actually go to their dance , so once again counter productive. The only people to benefit are the promotors as they get paid from all sides but what the promotors should do is give a little back instead of take take take ie why can't the promotors give the best sound on the night a cash prize which may cover their expenses ?? Otherwise I'll give it 6-12 months until no sounds will be interested in taking part as they aren't getting anything out of it apart from this man & that man saying this & that & waxhead doing his idiot reports . Unless everyone can make a wage of some kind in this industry it doesn't make sense to spend a whole heap of money just for bragging rights does it ?
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Originally posted by Jahlive Jahlive wrote:

A lot of new sounds Think they can buy their way into the game but it doesn't work like that


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Originally posted by Jahlive Jahlive wrote:

Unless everyone can make a wage of some kind in this industry it doesn't make sense to spend a whole heap of money just for bragging rights does it ?


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Originally posted by ukdubwise ukdubwise wrote:

But i've seen enough "unkown" or "little" sounds with the most expensive equipment like it's nothing.




Me too fella, but I've got to admit, most of them "the new sounds" do sound alot better than the "so called" big named sounds Exclamation 

Most of the soundsystem guys that I know & speak to, is very passionate about their systems & their music, which this alone is their driving factor to be & have the best.................... Clap

Me I think it's a good thing, all the long established systems will not be around forever.
I try to go session more local to us, "which is not many" & what I've seen is more passion from the newer sounds than the bigger named systems...................... 

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The contradiction of being involved in "poor man's music" reggae and operating in a capitalist economy is unavoidable, unfortunately.

As Lev said, some man can afford to run sound as an expensive hobby. For others, it is their primary source of income. For the latter group, it is not surprising that they jealously guard the 'premier league' of sounds (you know who I mean), but the knock-on effect is that newer and less known sounds don't get a show.

Yes the promoters need to get newer sounds involved (which will happen eventually as the older sounds retire) but remember they also take a financial risk (again going back to the capitalist economy - man has to put food on the table!) so are less likely to do so.

Certainly if you are based in the UK and setting up a new sound, you have to be realistic about the prospects of financial return on running sound if you intend to break even, let alone make a profit. Remember we're in a double dip recession with increasing unemployment, benefit cuts.... nuff people trying to keep their head above water...
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Originally posted by Jahlive Jahlive wrote:

The only people to benefit are the promotors as they get paid from all sides but what the promotors should do is give a little back instead of take take take


Have you ever organized an event? I guess not.
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Coming back to the topic of this thread.

Sound systems started because a big number of inhabitants of a certain carribean island couldn't afford to have records and loudspeakers at home. That is why the travelling discos were in demand. A lot of the singers and players of instruments were very poor as well. Look at some LP covers from the 70's and 80's. These pictures speaks more than words. It is the same thing as in many genres, some of those people could escape poverty through their music.

It is also possible to make good reggae music without a lot of technique that costs money. Just get some simple second hand instruments and play outside in the park all day. Like some musicians in my town.

When it comes to manage a sound system or a recording studio, you have to be clear that this is a business, doesn't matter if you want it to be or not. As in every business, there is a lot of competiton and it is not easy to earn investments back and keep everything running.

Last but not least and maybe this is some shocking news for the law obeying citizens on here... not every sound system has been funded legally.
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llol llol.... not only sound system, the bad old days of pimping in Wardor Mews west end etc. Ask a youth called Penny Reel.
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Originally posted by Ras Loud Ras Loud wrote:



Last but not least and maybe this is some shocking news for the law obeying citizens on here... not every sound system has been funded legally.


LOL

Know a few  soundsystems, who have "Mary Joe Anna" as their director of finances. LOL

But at least they're not as bad as some dudes, who only put on raves to distribute "stuff".





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Originally posted by Ras Loud Ras Loud wrote:


Originally posted by Jahlive Jahlive wrote:

The only people to benefit are the promotors as they get paid from all sides but what the promotors should do is give a little back instead of take take take


Have you ever organized an event? I guess not.
When your making assumptions don't guess be sure as I'm sure you don't know me it's like me assuming that you eat pork pies so be a good ras & humble yourself
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Many Modern sounds in UK don't buy any music therefore saving a fortune..big pirate machines and no turntable..just CDR and laptop.

Edited by waterhouserock - 21 August 2012 at 6:53pm
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