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    Posted: 09 August 2023 at 11:03am
hey, 
one of my 186s have small air leek on the backpanel (from driver chamber). I tought its okey because sound was nice as always and i saw no problem with it, but last party i noticed back of that 186 is getting hot (too hot in my opinion). Is there a chance its caused by that small air leek? 
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Hard to quantify the exact effect an air leak will have. Depends how big the leak is?
If its too hot you will need to reduce the average power seen by the speaker driver!
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Sure i lowered power right away, but drivers are 1000w and i fed them just 800w so in my understanding overheating shouldnt occure
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800W is still 800W regardless. Get your hands on a 40W incandescent light bulb and see how long you can keep it in your hands when lit ;)

1,000W is also the free-air rating of your driver. This will be *drastically* less when loaded into a cabinet, especially one with a small sealed rear chamber for the motor to live in.

600W average is a good rule of thumb for what you can expect to feed to a driver over a long period without burning things.
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Even a very capable driver may have a longer term thermal limit of 400W. This may have to kick in after a couple of seconds.
But this is thermal limiting not peak - Turn down the average and allow the peak dynamic transients. In other words turn down the gain rather than the peak limiting. Difficult I know with some DJ's etc.
Depends on what sort of speaker management you have & how hard you are attempting to drive the speaker!
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According to the Klipsch Audio Papers Dope from Hope Book an air leak in a folded horn will reduce Bass....Replace wood Door with 3/8 inch or thicker Alm Metal door and seal tight....make sure all inside joints are sealed with Epoxy......No leaks......
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Yeah, I underestimated the back door. I see that now, and I'm working on a better back door system right now. Thank you, guys, for your insight into this matter.
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So, is the overheating caused by overpowering? Is there no connection with the air leak?
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Specs like "1000W" power handling for a speaker needs to be taken with a (huge) cupful of salt. It depends on the parameters of the test, what signal was used, crest factors, time, etc., etc. That is, you need to look at the small print and more importantly understand them in relation to what you are pumping into the driver.

And have you ever seen a speaker coil? It may be a frivolous comparison, but just compare the cable there with, say the coil on a 1000W heater. One designed to carry a constant high current. The other bursts of current. Overdrive and it will pop.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote 4D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 August 2023 at 9:48am
Originally posted by BrainlessTekno BrainlessTekno wrote:

So, is the overheating caused by overpowering? Is there no connection with the air leak?


Leaky chamber encourages over excursion accelerating mechanical demise of surround, cone, coil & spider.. 


Edited by 4D - 11 August 2023 at 9:49am
DMZ. "The bass was intense. Girls were literally running up to stand next to the subs"
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