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    Posted: 30 January 2024 at 11:13am
for powering x4 18sw115@8ohm rated 1700rms/3400w and push them until the limits,
with a 32A plug, where is powered even the rest of the stack -kicks, mid, tops-

what is best?

possible option:

- 2 channel @4 ohm of a k10, so its about 4000w x 2;
- x2 k10, using both in briged mode so 2 scoop each amp, 4ohm bridged mode heavy limited due the 12kW pushed;
- 1 channel of k20--> 9000w @2ohm;
- 4xl --> x2 channel @4ohm so 6800w each;

actually ive x2 k10;
k20 is possible;
4xl dream.
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You are probably already at the almost the limit with those K10's definately if you average power gets a bit higher. With all the other options, you are spending quite a lot of money for not much gain in SPL. Finding a way to remove more heat from the scoop throatchamber could be more viable if you want to push it.
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thanks for your reply...
my last decade was about driving 4 18tbx100 rated 1200Wrms by same configuration of the k10 x2 @4ohm.

so im a little bit surprised that a speaker that handle 500w more as rms power can allready have hit his termal limit.
Ive never had a problem with the old configuration, so i imagine that i can put more juice on this new monsters....
last night was about the 10k at the sound proper but you feel that they can put out a lot more.

my question would even consider the main supply and the rest of power need, because i cannot offord more than a 32A plug for my sound.
and ive a 9001 on mid bass so a lot of power is allready taken
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If you haven't destroyed your previous drivers, I don't see the reason you are seeking new drivers that handle more power than your previous drivers. 

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i dont want destroy anything :)
i dont get the point. the new drivers are in a new project for different things...smaller van for the gig, and with less cabb still lower than playing with few super scoop

I'm  just trying to understand, and if im wrong tell me please.
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You mentioned using the Powersoft K 10 to power multiple B&C 18 TBX 100 (1200 watts each) woofers around a decade ago.


You are now looking to use the Powersoft K 10 on multiple B&C 18 SW 115 (1700 watts each) woofers in which, require more power to drive than the B&C 18 TBX 100.


Since the B&C 18 TBX 100 is easier to drive on a Powersoft K 10 than, the B&C 18 SW 115, due to it's power handling, why are you moving to wards the B&C 18 SW 115?


The limiting factor will be the Powersoft K 10. You will need to drive the amplifier harder in order to achieve the same SPL, when comparing the B&C 18 TBX 100 to the B&C 18 SW 115.


As you want to keep it Italian, the Powersoft K 20 would be a better choice (than the Powersoft K 10) if you already purchased the B&C 18 SW 115 woofers.


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Edited by Elliot Thompson - 31 January 2024 at 1:01am
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apologize for my poort eng,
the tbx are still runnings in some super scoop, project that i will keep for using in big stack or outdoor things.
the sw is a new project, made in deeper camber scoop -minis- for smaller gig, and for hit lowers notes without put a stack of 6 of them like for the super. They sound amazing, and the sw is different motor, different legue speaker.... even with the same power driven.

actually ive x2 k10 so i can power them in different way. or thinking to a update as menthiond
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K10 will be plenty , u might be missing some last bits of headroom if your style is to squeeze out everything out of the poor speakers.
The sw eats the tbx for lunch i dont see why he wouldnt upgrade .


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Originally posted by _Natty_ _Natty_ wrote:

apologize for my poort eng,
the tbx are still runnings in some super scoop, project that i will keep for using in big stack or outdoor things.
the sw is a new project, made in deeper camber scoop -minis- for smaller gig, and for hit lowers notes without put a stack of 6 of them like for the super. They sound amazing, and the sw is different motor, different legue speaker.... even with the same power driven.

actually ive x2 k10 so i can power them in different way. or thinking to a update as menthiond

 

If you are happy with the results of the K 10 and not clipping the amplifier to achieve the results, stick with the K 10.


If you find yourself clipping the amplifier to achieve the results you are praising about, go for a K 20.


Only you can determine (based on your usage) which amplifier would give you optimum results based on your overall requirements.


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After seeing K10 clip driving 2x PD1851 per channel, then eventually burning all of them, have never considered, ever buying one.

Especially after I heard K10 compared with with Void Inf8MK2, on same set.

I would consider selling the 2x K10, get a K20, and forget about the B&C SW115s, there are better B&Cs, which are more sensitive.

If your Scoops cannot perform with other 18sound/B&Cs,  drivers, maybe time to sell those as well.

Many old Scoop designs, just can't do decent job, with modern drivers.



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also seen k10 pop 4 tmax 1000s when clipping without massive amount of output , the k20 is another level of amplifier , also regarding b&csw115s, in the right cab with around 1200/1300w clean there animals i find :) i would never even think about going back to any other driver ( used pd1850 from 2005 ) before that was fane xb and 186 , for ref i am bridging sae 1450 amps , headroom , serious tone and frequency, not a clip in sight   
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Originally posted by paulus paulus wrote:

also seen k10 pop 4 tmax 1000s when clipping without massive amount of output , the k20 is another level of amplifier , also regarding b&csw115s, in the right cab with around 1200/1300w clean there animals i find :) i would never even think about going back to any other driver ( used pd1850 from 2005 ) before that was fane xb and 186 , for ref i am bridging sae 1450 amps , headroom , serious tone and frequency, not a clip in sight   


Yes mate, in my mind, K10 awful.

I'm guessing you are lucky, SW1115s are optimal in your cabs !!

But as you just said, you are feeding your B&Cs proper power, so sensitivity is non issue !!
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