Martin SCX500/600

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   hi guys, 

What are your opinions on these lights?
Are they worth the money?
And how much better is the 600 over the 500?
And what other lights in there price range do you recomend?

Also whats the going rate for these two lights second hand?

cheers
ryan

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Ryan94 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 07 February 2009 Location: Buckinghamshire Status: Offline Points: 1850	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ryan94 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Martin SCX500/600 Posted: 26 September 2009 at 7:37pm
	hi guys, What are your opinions on these lights? Are they worth the money? And how much better is the 600 over the 500? And what other lights in there price range do you recomend? Also whats the going rate for these two lights second hand? cheers ryan

norty303 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 18 August 2004 Location: Eastbourne Status: Offline Points: 8800	Post Options Post Reply Quote norty303 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 September 2009 at 9:00am
	(imho) a waste of time because of the halogen lamps. The 700 is a 150 discharge unit but even then I think they're a bit dim for any serious use. No idea on prices I'm afraid. How much money you got to spend and what are you trying to achieve?
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Ryan94 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 07 February 2009 Location: Buckinghamshire Status: Offline Points: 1850	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ryan94 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 September 2009 at 9:52am
	hi norty, The lights will be used for part of a mobile dj rig doing rave themed night and that sort of thing. I dont really want to spend more than £300 a light. Also i cant make my mind up weather to go for moving heads or scanners. i like how smooth and controlded the moving heads are but to get a reasonably desent one you could gewt two scanners that do the same thing. but scanners just seem to be so quick and edjey (spelling). any help would be great thanks

Ryan94 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 07 February 2009 Location: Buckinghamshire Status: Offline Points: 1850	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ryan94 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 September 2009 at 12:14pm
	Also i have been looking at the isolution irock scanners. what are your opinions on these. they do a 150watt discharge version, but how would this compare in brightness to say a 250watt halogen?

csg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 17 September 2007 Location: bedford Status: Offline Points: 6085	Post Options Post Reply Quote csg Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 September 2009 at 4:18pm
	Generally the rule of thumb is discharge sources are 3-4 times brighter than halogen per watt - ie 150w discharge will = 450 - 600w of halogen. this of course assumes high quality clean optics, with the lamp correctly alighned. scans can move as smoothly as moving heads, its all in the programming of the control. For mobile disco use, i would stick with moving mirrors unless you have loads of money For £300 a head, you could find some serious kit like clay paky miniscan hpe's which would knock the sh*t out of everything this side of a martin 918

Ryan94 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 07 February 2009 Location: Buckinghamshire Status: Offline Points: 1850	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ryan94 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 September 2009 at 8:13pm
	hi csg, thanks for the help. i had been looking at discharge lamps for a while now but could only seem to find 150watt dischage lights in my price range so i was woried that they wernt going to be bright enough. but now i now they compare to 3-4 times brighter than a halogen im much more happy to pay for a discharge. i supose scanners would be more suted to mobile use but i just love the look of moving heads! ow well i will just have to wait till im a bit older and have a bit more money and maybe get some better moving heads then. wheres the best place to look for clay paky lights ect.? cheers

csg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 17 September 2007 Location: bedford Status: Offline Points: 6085	Post Options Post Reply Quote csg Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 September 2009 at 11:39pm
	take a look on ebay for the miniscans - they come up quite regularly and seem to sell for approx £600 a pair note that they come in several versions - miniscan hpe's are the ones you want - they are 300w discharge, and cost a couple of grand each new...

mk2_ginger_biscuit69 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 03 November 2008 Location: Brighton Status: Offline Points: 7797	Post Options Post Reply Quote mk2_ginger_biscuit69 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 September 2009 at 4:57pm
	our club have many martin scx units of varying sizes. dont bother, poorly made, poor optics, poor resolution (smoothness) of mirror movements and as said, mostly halogen which is pants. just for your info on discharge lamps, halogen has fragile filiments which are inefficient, break easily in transit, and burn out quickly. Discharge lamps instead have 2 'stumps' which have seriously high voltages through, causing electrical arc'ing, and once heated up, a bright white light source rather than the yellowy halogen glow. think household floodlight compared to footy stadium floodlights. same kinda thing, obviously on completely different ends of the scale however.
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norty303 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 18 August 2004 Location: Eastbourne Status: Offline Points: 8800	Post Options Post Reply Quote norty303 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 September 2009 at 5:19pm
	I would say that in my experience, 150w of discharge source comes nowhere near 3 to 4 times the brightness of halogen. When comparing 250w of halogen to 150w of discharge I'd say at a push it might be a bit brighter, but a lot of that is down to the colour temp. That said, not all 250 halogens are created equal either. ELC3 and ELC5 are longer life and so dimmer. Some of my M33 lamped units are very bright even for halogens.
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csg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 17 September 2007 Location: bedford Status: Offline Points: 6085	Post Options Post Reply Quote csg Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 September 2009 at 6:49pm
	Perhaps - but remember that at the 150w end of the scale, budgets are usually tight and optics lossy also, the elc is a complete optical unit complete with a very carefully alighed reflector, which will not be the case with an hti-150. Ill look up the lumen / watt figures when i have a moment, but there is no doubt that discharge lamps are far more efficient than halogen ok, quartz halogen = 24 lumen / watt metal halide discharge = 100 lumen / watt so, slightly over 1:4 ratio! Edited by csg - 28 September 2009 at 6:53pm

Ryan94 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 07 February 2009 Location: Buckinghamshire Status: Offline Points: 1850	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ryan94 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 September 2009 at 7:03pm
	ok well it seems that the feedback for the martin scanners asnt good so i definatly wont be going for them. and it seems that going for a discharge lamp is a must! Are there any other options apart from Clay Paky miniscan?

norty303 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 18 August 2004 Location: Eastbourne Status: Offline Points: 8800	Post Options Post Reply Quote norty303 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 September 2009 at 12:00am
	Robe Clubscan 250CT are getting cheaper all the time. Around £200-£250 each with 250w MSD250/2 lamp. The older DJ scan 250XT are cheaper but rarer as now out of production. 150XT is still being made as far as I'm aware but 'only' 150w. imho, if you're going to get some scans, get 250w or higher. You can always dim them if too bright. Martin 518 are a reasonable light but very slow by todays standards.
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