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    Posted: 04 October 2013 at 1:29pm
Which is better for sound quality ? I've always heard people rate Analogue is it going to better ?
 
My idea is (I applogize to those who have read my previous topic lol)
 
Have a Opus HD1500 and 4 SB215's and two Turbo's and a DBX compressor already
 
I want to buy an Opus controller (in anycase the pre amp in the controller will completment the HD1500, surely ???)
 
Get filters card for the bins and also get Opus to make up some cards for me for my Turbo's with EQ's limiter and x/over (do they actually do this ? should phone them really lol)
 
Then buy a BSS Opal (or Klark tech) for final acoustic eq'ing depending on the venue.
 
Plus I am using Technics CDJ's,ok ok lol if it were up to me i'd buy vinyl but they just dont make it anymore, but I want to buy better DAC's for them and also my plan it go to as near to analogue as possible
 
Sounds good or is this idea going be taken off the shelves quicker than Tango With Added Tango
 
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If youre using vinyl then definately analogue without a doubt. SOmething like a Rane AC23S crossover will definately sound better than any digital LMS when using analogue media.

You wont notice much difference to something which has already been digitised - for example cd's, mp3's etc. because the errors are already present.

I got together some diagrams which shows the errors present in digital sampling

http://www.facebook.com/richard.talmage/media_set?set=a.10150619992373629.410097.517358628&type=1

And who said they dont make vinyl anymore? google 'vinyl sales' and click on images, look at the graphs. Its coming back in with a vengeance :)




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Okay Brill thanks, I still want a Opus Controller however, I think the pre-amp in it will completment the HD
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Richie, do you have any actual data to back those graphs up? The axes are not labelled and there's no source link or information about the test so as it stands, the information is bullshit - like a lot of what you put on here…
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Toasty: Those are pretty well known issues and for example Tomas Lund from TC Electronics has done work on this sector to prove the point. That was done regarding R128 loudness compression / level measuring.

Granted, used scale makes the problems look larger than they are, but nevertheless they are real things.
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But how are you going to get this amazing analogue signal into your typical PA/DJ scenario? 

If you are taking out some nice Revox B77's etc then fair enough but if you are going to be using DJ carts of any persuasion then give me the crappy digital thank you.

When I see some nice Koetsu Carts on yer Hi-End Transcription arms and Decks then I might start believing.

Don't get me wrong I love the sound of some of my old 12" singles when played on my Thorens etc. but the strange thing is when I record them to my hard drive through a quality pre/sound card etc it sounds the same on playback.

Vinyl sounds different yes, better err.

Just my couple of Pfennigs worth.

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Originally posted by Pasi Pasi wrote:

Toasty: Those are pretty well known issues and for example Tomas Lund from TC Electronics has done work on this sector to prove the point. That was done regarding R128 loudness compression / level measuring.

Granted, used scale makes the problems look larger than they are, but nevertheless they are real things.


That's fair enough, but your comment here is still more information regarding the source than Richie posted! I was more taking to task his tendency to state things are useless or broken without any facts to back it up - the document linked in that Facebook album actually shows that it's possible to counter some of those issues in a product with a bit of forethought, so even that counters his claim that 'digital is rubbish'.

To get back on topic, all the Opus I've heard without the controller has paled in comparison to running it with, definitely add one of those to your setup.

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To get back on topic, all the Opus I've heard without the controller has paled in comparison to running it with, definitely add one of those to your setup.[/QUOTE]


so you are of the opinion that his Turdo tops are gonna "sound" better with an Opus controller (Whatever That is ) because in your opinion all the  OPUS you have heard "Sounded Better" with the said and aforementioned controller???? and this is despite the fact that he he not usin an Opus rig but a licourice allsorts rig with a bit of this and a bit of that

so you would recommend Opus kit be run with Turdosound control systems coz they make turdo "sound better"  

11 out of 10 for that piece of wisdom then!!!

seems to me he just needs a crossover of some kind but he neglects to give a full spec on what kit he has. But the choice between analogue or digital is a matter of cost and or availability I presently only using analogue sold of all the number crunchers digital is good if it is Lake etc cheaper jobs no thanks older analogue is affordable if you can find it 
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Originally posted by toastyghost toastyghost wrote:

Originally posted by Pasi Pasi wrote:

Toasty: Those are pretty well known issues and for example Tomas Lund from TC Electronics has done work on this sector to prove the point. That was done regarding R128 loudness compression / level measuring.

Granted, used scale makes the problems look larger than they are, but nevertheless they are real things.


That's fair enough, but your comment here is still more information regarding the source than Richie posted! I was more taking to task his tendency to state things are useless or broken without any facts to back it up - the document linked in that Facebook album actually shows that it's possible to counter some of those issues in a product with a bit of forethought, so even that counters his claim that 'digital is rubbish'.

To get back on topic, all the Opus I've heard without the controller has paled in comparison to running it with, definitely add one of those to your setup.
 
Okay cool when one finally comes up then id have to grab it, do you think it is bcos the pre amp gives the HD what it needs or is it bcos of the great EQ'in by opus themselves ?
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Originally posted by Tony Wilkes Tony Wilkes wrote:

But how are you going to get this amazing analogue signal into your typical PA/DJ scenario? 

If you are taking out some nice Revox B77's etc then fair enough but if you are going to be using DJ carts of any persuasion then give me the crappy digital thank you.

When I see some nice Koetsu Carts on yer Hi-End Transcription arms and Decks then I might start believing.

Don't get me wrong I love the sound of some of my old 12" singles when played on my Thorens etc. but the strange thing is when I record them to my hard drive through a quality pre/sound card etc it sounds the same on playback.

Vinyl sounds different yes, better err.

Just my couple of Pfennigs worth.

Tony
 
Yes I am going to be using for DJ'ing events but I was also going to consider buying better DACS's as well also I want a opus x/over anyway so all i need extra is a good analogue EQ essentially.
 
But is this route going to be better than what ive got already ? bearing in mind I am using CDJS with the aim of buying better DACS
 
 
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Originally posted by SMP SMP wrote:


To get back on topic, all the Opus I've heard without the controller has paled in comparison to running it with, definitely add one of those to your setup.



so you are of the opinion that his Turdo tops are gonna "sound" better with an Opus controller (Whatever That is ) because in your opinion all the  OPUS you have heard "Sounded Better" with the said and aforementioned controller???? and this is despite the fact that he he not usin an Opus rig but a licourice allsorts rig with a bit of this and a bit of that

so you would recommend Opus kit be run with Turdosound control systems coz they make turdo "sound better"  

11 out of 10 for that piece of wisdom then!!!

seems to me he just needs a crossover of some kind but he neglects to give a full spec on what kit he has. But the choice between analogue or digital is a matter of cost and or availability I presently only using analogue sold of all the number crunchers digital is good if it is Lake etc cheaper jobs no thanks older analogue is affordable if you can find it 
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hi
 
well I was only going to run the Turbosound TXD's thru the opus controller as I would have to I wouldnt think it will complement the tops or the Mackie top amp I am using, what I think he was saying is that the Opus controller will make the Opus amp sound better as the pre-amp in the controller will give the opus amp what its needed, bearing in mind opus do make there own electronics.
 
however
 
the point of this topic is
 
am I better off buying XTA
 
or
 
am I better off going to as "near" to analogue as possible by buying opus controller (which I want anyway) and buy a BSs opal 966 EQ
 
bearing in mind I am using CDJS with the aim of buying better DACS (which is also something i def want)
 
So ultmaley the only differece is should I run my turbosound tops thru DSP or opus controller and hopefully getting opus to make card up with my EQ settings via freq response graph
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Imo if you are going with an Opus setup then you really have to buy into the whole package, and that is certainly worth doing.
 
Get the HD amps and Opus controller, you'll have a optimized system with rock solid limiters (one of the best around) and no real need for an Graphic Eq. I would get matching Opus tops to compliment your bass. This way you will have a great sounding system that will handle live and DJ work.
 
Talk to Opus Jody, he should be able to sort you out and give advice.
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