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toastyghost
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The Luke are nice but they seem tuned above 50Hz so not much use for modern bass and Soundsystems. A vinyl weight helps a lot but they seem to only have favour with the house and techno guys.
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I assume they also work for lower frequencies as the design is to isolate using foam. The developer also happens to be a techno dj.
Lower mid frequencies can also feedback. At nyc's twilo, the booth monitors would actually sometimes set off one of the turntables. Oh, and sympathetic membranes can also cause havoc. I once failed to stiffen up the front wall of a booth enough, thinking that since everything else was brick, I'd be fine. No amount of squash balls or stones would help, but redesigning the wall protecting the gear to tubular steel instead of wood did the trick.
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Unfortunately if the venue is small with a lot of sub and you can't get a decent distance from the subs some feedback seems inevitable with vinyl.
I tried variously hanging the decks from the ceiling via wires and a cradle, with slate in it and then slabs of foam under the decks... still had some sub feedback especially in the quiet bits of the tunes.. Gave up on vinyl in that place in the end! |
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This makes sense….
Sorry but this other statement is completely wrong:
The vertical modulation of a stereophonic groove on a vinyl record contains the "S" part of a stereo signal, not the "M" = MID / MONO !! By default, the vertical modulation can't be as strong as the horizontal modulation, because 1) the groove can't dig very deep 2) the groove shouldn't become too shallow, otherwise the needle jumps out. There is more space available sideways, and the pitch control mechanisms in cutting lathes will adjust accordingly. Look at bass heavy cuts, if you know the tune you can "read" the groove and see where the bass line drops etc. just based on how narrow or wide the groove spacing is. Another reason is mono backwards compatibility. When stereo came around, they had to make sure that mono cartridges could play back the stereophonic discs just as well. |
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Well, I stand corrected. But that means the mechanism for feedback is a bit of a mystery then. The platter definitely moves vertically, how can that set off a horizontal vibration in the needle? Is it just down to non-ideal tonearm stiffness and bearings?
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Is the old wooden Garrard turntable good against this issue?
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Which one?? Garrard made loads to suit many different pockets. Model number?
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From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonograph_record Sound enhancments > Stereophonic sound :In this system, each of two stereo channels is carried independently by a separate groove wall, each wall face moving at 45 degrees to the plane of the record surface (hence the system's name) in correspondence with the signal level of that channel. By convention, the inner wall carries the left-hand channel and the outer wall carries the right-hand channel.
Rill with sound only on left channel
While the stylus only moves horizontally when reproducing a monophonic disk recording, on stereo records the stylus moves vertically as well as horizontally. During playback, the movement of a single stylus tracking the groove is sensed independently, e.g., by two coils, each mounted diagonally opposite the relevant groove wall.[49] The combined stylus motion can be represented in terms of the vector sum and difference of the two stereo channels. Vertical stylus motion then carries the L − R difference signal and horizontal stylus motion carries the L + R summed signal, the latter representing the monophonic component of the signal in exactly the same manner as a purely monophonic record. The advantages of the 45/45 system as compared to alternative systems were:
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I have built some of my own plinths for old skool decks ..really simple as we kno
using ply/some birch ply, so tha are very densed and heavy also what i did it fill all gapes using birchply inside so even heavyier, so little voids as poss, also so it does not hinder any of the mechancs of the deck hopefully you will get yu deck choice sorted asap.....
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I totally get how the stereo groove cutting works now. But, it's making me think that all of what I wrote above must be wrong.
The solutions I mentioned definitely do work in the real world. But if it is down to horizontal deflections of the needle then the mechanism must be different. An up-down movement of the platter would pretty obviously produce a signal out of phase in left vs right, leading to no summed output from the subs; I guess it could be at play if your subs are fed from only one channel..... I could envisage that the part of the system that's resonating is the tonearm against the needle's left-right compliance, perhaps? But then why would doing things to the platter or feet have any effect - plus, the frequency ought to change with different headshells or addition of weight on top of the headshell? I have successfully confused myself! Sorry for not being much help!
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Why does resonance only have to move things in one plane?
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