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Before you go to far spending money on new amps have a look for venues where you can operate at "a very high SPL with earth-shattering bass" There are not as many as one might assume also venues with decent power supplies that will allow such antics are even rarer. 


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Originally posted by 4D 4D wrote:


Before you go to far spending money on new amps have a look for venues where you can operate at "a very high SPL with earth-shattering bass" There are not as many as one might assume also venues with decent power supplies that will allow such antics are even rarer. 



How about the middle of a rural no mans land, between the hours of midnight and 12 the next day ? ;)
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Haha yes of course they mean something i was simply exaggerating to express my mental face palm at the misleading manufacturers.
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Originally posted by junoprobelaunch junoprobelaunch wrote:

At this moment in time I'm stuck between an Infinite 8 and a PKN XE6000. An Infinite 8 would probably not fill me with as much confidence as it is a significantly older amp and would also have to be purchased second hand. Whereas if i went for the PKN I could afford it brand new which would eliminate a massive level of risk and I could actually get help if something were to go wrong with it.


Myself, and large number of people here, were once present at an amp test, where PKN XE6000, Matrix XT7000MF, Crown Itech 8000, Powersoft K10, were played on a system with 4x subs, and HPF of 40hz.

Only amplifiers which did not thermal, blow internal fuses, or clip before fully driving cabs, were K10 and Void Inf8MK2.


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Originally posted by junoprobelaunch junoprobelaunch wrote:

Only in pro audio does a manufacturers specifications mean absolutely all lol...
Okay so thanks to that I've narrowed down my options. For the money, I just can't justify purchasing a "typical" lightweight to only run 4 cabs when there are much better choices. At this moment in time I'm stuck between an Infinite 8 and a PKN XE6000. An Infinite 8 would probably not fill me with as much confidence as it is a significantly older amp and would also have to be purchased second hand. Whereas if i went for the PKN I could afford it brand new which would eliminate a massive level of risk and I could actually get help if something were to go wrong with it.

PKN XE6000 is a great amplifier and very reliable. Its not happy at 2.66 ohm, and doesnt have the minerals for low end applications. The Void is also very reliable and will wipe the floor with the PKN. I know this through experience. Recently borrowing a PKN 6000 as I was interested in swapping out my PL4.0s I was left disapointed with its performance. Ive also A/B the void and the PKN, the PKN was unimpressive again. 
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Thanks for that Lev and Boots! Seems to me as if a pair of Inf 8s is the best option, paying £2000+ for a used K10 only to run 4 of my cabinets doesn't seem like a very good option especially when alot of people say the Inf8 sounds better. Will start with just one and then start saving up for another. Will try my best to have play with one first however. Sorry if this is a silly question but being my first very expensive sub amp it is a neccesary one - how easy is it to get the Infinite 8 serviced? Is it feasible despite being discontinued?
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Void will service them, amongst others on here. 
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Originally posted by junoprobelaunch junoprobelaunch wrote:

Didn't see that last bit just got confused as to how we got on the topic of of how much power kills your drivers again. Allow me to check my understanding though... so when you connect a driver to an amp output and run power into it (say the amp gives out 1500watts),the driver resists the very vast majority of that and will only see a few hundred Watts tops? I assume the crest factor plays a part in this but am I correct in saying the above?


No. Not at all. But a driver rated at 1500w AES is done so using a particular test in a particular environment, which is well documented if you research it. It does not always, or often, correlate to the same driver in a given enclosure, driven with a different signal such as one that has much more LF content, and lower crest factor.

All of this is absolutely relevant to your question, because buying a high power amp and high power drivers without the understanding of how it actually works is a recipe for burned coils and very expensive recone bills - and that often happens way down the line after overdriving the cabinets a little bit at each show, leading to more confusion, heresy, and much of the frankly wrong or misinformed discussion that occurs on forums like this.

Originally posted by junoprobelaunch junoprobelaunch wrote:

Only in pro audio does a manufacturers specifications mean absolutely all lol...
Okay so thanks to that I've narrowed down my options. For the money, I just can't justify purchasing a "typical" lightweight to only run 4 cabs when there are much better choices. At this moment in time I'm stuck between an Infinite 8 and a PKN XE6000. An Infinite 8 would probably not fill me with as much confidence as it is a significantly older amp and would also have to be purchased second hand. Whereas if i went for the PKN I could afford it brand new which would eliminate a massive level of risk and I could actually get help if something were to go wrong with it.


Not all, the specs are all there, people just don't look at the whole picture and take a single number off a web page. Try looking at the data sheet document instead.

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Originally posted by junoprobelaunch junoprobelaunch wrote:

Only in pro audio does a manufacturers specifications mean absolutely all lol...
Okay so thanks to that I've narrowed down my options. For the money, I just can't justify purchasing a "typical" lightweight to only run 4 cabs when there are much better choices. At this moment in time I'm stuck between an Infinite 8 and a PKN XE6000. An Infinite 8 would probably not fill me with as much confidence as it is a significantly older amp and would also have to be purchased second hand. Whereas if i went for the PKN I could afford it brand new which would eliminate a massive level of risk and I could actually get help if something were to go wrong with it.


PKN XE6000 is a great amplifier and very reliable. Its not happy at 2.66 ohm, and doesnt have the minerals for low end applications. The Void is also very reliable and will wipe the floor with the PKN. I know this through experience. Recently borrowing a PKN 6000 as I was interested in swapping out my PL4.0s I was left disapointed with its performance. Ive also A/B the void and the PKN, the PKN was unimpressive again. 


They're not my favourite amp, and the one driving a pair of Stasys X v1 Neo did sit in thermal limit from the first hour each night, but three PKN XE6000 handled six dual 18" subs, 4 ohm nominal per channel, for a bass heavy two weekends in the harsh environment of Croatia, driven pretty hard all the way. Another say 40v output on the X v1 would have achieved maybe 1dB more output per cabinet, so pretty negligible. Sounded decent to boot.

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I'm having a pretty troubling time trying to understand all of it now to be honest but am glad I have gotten at least a bit of a grasp on it now and not when I'm in a situation where my lack of understanding is a matter of life and death for very expensive parts of my rig! It is very hard to know what is truthful and what is not when reading on this forum because as you've proven many many times even seemingly very informed users can get something vital to the stability of a sound system completely wrong.

Back to my original question though, I understand a drivers ratings being more or less what power they survive at under very different conditions to what 99% will in reality be subjected too, but as you said my explanation was wrong, where does all the extra power the amp puts out go? (not trying to be a dick just trying to make 100% sure I have a complete understanding of this)
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. Another say 40v output on the X v1 would have achieved maybe 1dB more output per cabinet, so pretty negligible. [/QUOTE]

And there you have it. Should be a sticky.Thumbs Up


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