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Before you go to far spending money on new amps have a look for venues where you can operate at "a very high SPL with earth-shattering bass" There are not as many as one might assume also venues with decent power supplies that will allow such antics are even rarer. |
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DMZ. "The bass was intense. Girls were literally running up to stand next to the subs"
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Dub Specialist Sound
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9001 @4r is 2200 not 2k
one thing too you safe as man running clip on 9001 man, best limiters on crest 001 seroies , you drivers are safe too no mickey amps tha t take out drivers at a sign of the red light |
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Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE...
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Timebomb
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Manufacturers specs do not mean f**k all, you just have understand how to interpret the information they are giving you and how it applys to your application.
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James Secker facebook.com/soundgearuk
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junoprobelaunch
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How about the middle of a rural no mans land, between the hours of midnight and 12 the next day ? ;)
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junoprobelaunch
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Haha yes of course they mean something i was simply exaggerating to express my mental face palm at the misleading manufacturers.
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levyte357-
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Myself, and large number of people here, were once present at an amp test, where PKN XE6000, Matrix XT7000MF, Crown Itech 8000, Powersoft K10, were played on a system with 4x subs, and HPF of 40hz. Only amplifiers which did not thermal, blow internal fuses, or clip before fully driving cabs, were K10 and Void Inf8MK2. |
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boots-hifi
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PKN XE6000 is a great amplifier and very reliable. Its not happy at 2.66 ohm, and doesnt have the minerals for low end applications. The Void is also very reliable and will wipe the floor with the PKN. I know this through experience. Recently borrowing a PKN 6000 as I was interested in swapping out my PL4.0s I was left disapointed with its performance. Ive also A/B the void and the PKN, the PKN was unimpressive again.
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junoprobelaunch
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Thanks for that Lev and Boots! Seems to me as if a pair of Inf 8s is the best option, paying £2000+ for a used K10 only to run 4 of my cabinets doesn't seem like a very good option especially when alot of people say the Inf8 sounds better. Will start with just one and then start saving up for another. Will try my best to have play with one first however. Sorry if this is a silly question but being my first very expensive sub amp it is a neccesary one - how easy is it to get the Infinite 8 serviced? Is it feasible despite being discontinued?
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boots-hifi
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Void will service them, amongst others on here.
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toastyghost
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No. Not at all. But a driver rated at 1500w AES is done so using a particular test in a particular environment, which is well documented if you research it. It does not always, or often, correlate to the same driver in a given enclosure, driven with a different signal such as one that has much more LF content, and lower crest factor. All of this is absolutely relevant to your question, because buying a high power amp and high power drivers without the understanding of how it actually works is a recipe for burned coils and very expensive recone bills - and that often happens way down the line after overdriving the cabinets a little bit at each show, leading to more confusion, heresy, and much of the frankly wrong or misinformed discussion that occurs on forums like this.
Not all, the specs are all there, people just don't look at the whole picture and take a single number off a web page. Try looking at the data sheet document instead.
They're not my favourite amp, and the one driving a pair of Stasys X v1 Neo did sit in thermal limit from the first hour each night, but three PKN XE6000 handled six dual 18" subs, 4 ohm nominal per channel, for a bass heavy two weekends in the harsh environment of Croatia, driven pretty hard all the way. Another say 40v output on the X v1 would have achieved maybe 1dB more output per cabinet, so pretty negligible. Sounded decent to boot. Edited by toastyghost - 15 October 2018 at 7:28pm |
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junoprobelaunch
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I'm having a pretty troubling time trying to understand all of it now to be honest but am glad I have gotten at least a bit of a grasp on it now and not when I'm in a situation where my lack of understanding is a matter of life and death for very expensive parts of my rig! It is very hard to know what is truthful and what is not when reading on this forum because as you've proven many many times even seemingly very informed users can get something vital to the stability of a sound system completely wrong. Back to my original question though, I understand a drivers ratings being more or less what power they survive at under very different conditions to what 99% will in reality be subjected too, but as you said my explanation was wrong, where does all the extra power the amp puts out go? (not trying to be a dick just trying to make 100% sure I have a complete understanding of this)
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. Another say 40v output on the X v1 would have achieved maybe 1dB more output per cabinet, so pretty negligible. [/QUOTE] And there you have it. Should be a sticky. |
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