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Elliot Thompson
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You can play Jamaican Oldies through a pair of powered speakers and it will sound fine. However, if he is looking for the Authentic Jamaican Sound (Historically known by Jamaican Sound Systems) certain principles need to apply to achieve that sound from decades ago. Those old top boxes/horns offer tonal characteristics that cannot be replicated with modern day boxes. This is why a lot of old top boxes are used today. Bear in mind Sound Systems in Jamaica are designed to play outdoors 100% of the time. In the UK, the States and, Canada such Sound Systems rarely play outdoors as the bulk of the events are held indoors. Sound Systems in Jamaica do not have to deal with ceilings, corners and/or walls as, Sound Systems in the UK, the States and, Canada. Best Regards, Edited by Elliot Thompson - 14 November 2019 at 5:33pm |
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valve head777
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I did mentioned this right at the beginning of the thread. No disrespect, but everyone has gone vintage in their recommendations. This implies that the last 30 odd years of technological advancements have been a waist of time. I understand where you are coming from but the op's original question had nothing to do with vintage equipment. Which is why I wrote what I did. In short, get the best you can. What I heard last weekend at the sound check from the other guy was absolutely fantastic, playing old time tunes.
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valve head777
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Fire me down please
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Elliot Thompson
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Care to discuss why old loudspeakers hold more value than than processing? It is quite simple. It is because the loudspeaker is the final say of a equation. What lies in between loudspeaker and the source can be replaced with something else however, the loudspeaker (as with the source) dictates the tonal characteristics. In case you might not know, Jamaican Sound Systems sound nothing like UK, the States and/or Canadian Sound Systems in terms of tops. This is a good topic.... Lets talk about vintage Jamaican Sound System's Top Ends and see who really knows about vintage Jamaican tops that made a reputation in terms of tone in the 1980's - 1990's in the Dance hall scene. Best Regards, |
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valve head777
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You are recommending someone buy into niche vintage equipment where the original question was about playing old vintage music. No mention whatsoever by the op about wanting vintage equipment. Indeed, the op has Rog Mogale super scoops, hardly a vintage scoop design. What you are suggesting is possibly doing the op a dis-service where the op has requested info from a forum frequented by so called experts. Can't you see where I'm coming from? Start a new thread extolling the the pros of certain equipment used in JA back in the day, and I'll read and contribute. Don't give me sideways snide comments about knowledge or not about how different systems sound around the world. Stick to what the original question was. If you actually read it. |
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valve head777
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Lev had it right, as usual Fyi
Edited by valve head777 - 14 November 2019 at 8:52pm |
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Elliot Thompson
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Please get of your rant and pay attention to what sowetosound stated....
So who is really paying attention here? Best Regards,
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toastyghost
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Jesus bloody Christ, Elliot, you don't always have to ensure that everyone thinks you're the smartest guy in the room.
@ sowetosound: Would you like those tunes to sound as good as possible, or would you like to make a complete vintage revival experience? Or - would you like to have a vintage aesthetic to go with your vintage tunes? If the answer to that 'is 'it would be nice to look authentic but I want the best sound possible' then you can likely build something that looks like it's a made from an old wardrobe, or whatever, but actually has the sonic qualities and internals of the best of modern technology to really recreate what the artist recorded. It might take more time, but you might also love the project more because of the end results and the journey it took you to get there. A good 'rule of thumb' is to never take anything that anyone posts on a forum as gospel, it is merely an opinion with some reference to facts. You should collate a bunch of these, and then make your own judgement about what you want to do, or ask more questions until you feel comfortable to do so. You are correct that many people made their own multicell horns out of wood, and they are happy. There is a beautiful looking roots system in Germany like this, called FreeMind Soundsystem. Maybe have a look at that, or dig up some photos of the kind of things you want to emulate, if looks are important, and then we can advise. Edited by toastyghost - 14 November 2019 at 11:04pm |
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you’re right. I'm looking for a system authentic and vintage, but at the same time my tunes sound good.
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toastyghost
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OK, cool. So, the first thing would be to dig up some images of the vintage systems that you like the most, if you can, I'm sure some other people can contribute to help too.
This is the Free Mind Soundsystem I mentioned: As you can see, it's still got a vintage feel, but also modern in design. They built their own wooden multicell horns, and there is no reason you can't either. You just need to be aware that the insides of the horn must be coated with a resin or fibreglass, something more reflective than bare wood to avoid losing HF detail from the rough surface. These guys have gone for what appears to be a bandpass horn kick, with some bracing detail to match their subs, but you could for example take a leaf out of Dub Specialist's book instead and have a nice reflex cabinet. I've seen some mighty fine photos of his vintage style system on here before, so I'm sure he'd be willing to share them again. This here is from a house music club, in NYC, called Public Records. They have an Altec inspired mid section, with a multicell horn, and these were all built this year and loaded with Faital and other modern drivers. The sound is apparently stunning. Edited by toastyghost - 15 November 2019 at 2:46am |
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valve head777
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I apologize for my robust response, crap few days, helped clear a space in storage of some of my equipment, only to find after 2x 150mile journeys that the space had another pile of crap dumped in there, costing me in excess of £100 and a massive waste of time.
However, had I known that the op was also after a vintage looking system, I wouldn't have replied as I have. Some of you are obviously telepathic, a skill I am lacking.
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All depends how loud you really need it to be, a couple of really nice 10" drivers in a sealed box can keep up if you have reasonable amps & drivers in the scoops and will sound clean and solid. Stick a small compression driver on top and cross fairly high and it can sound like a far field studio monitor in JA. I find its the bass on JA Oldies that is hardest to get sounding good, the mids and tops are generally pretty good and clean especially with good og press records.
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