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100 Volt-line
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Posted: 30 March 2020 at 11:12am |
Only ever put it inside if genny is close by. On long distro? Heavens no! Edited by 100 Volt-line - 30 March 2020 at 11:13am |
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Boxes-R-Blue
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Pretty much Exactly what i use, but a 15KW variant. A Bit miffed to find it pulls 20A per phase (IE is Star wired) I would have hoped it would be delta wired to get the same result with a bit less current... Only has 2 power settings, 7.5 and 15KW but a pair ballast a 125KVA set nicely. Note I always place these right next to the set (I just double lug and run a gig distro and a Dump distro) and you would be mad to add 30KW of load to increase your voltage drop on your main feeder! |
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Kinda Been there, Kinda done that, YOU COULDN'T handle my bar bill!
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Noyzmunky
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cheers boxes-r-blue.
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my name is Inigo Montoya...you killed my father, prepare to die!.
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100 Volt-line
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For load bank purposes, I have a 6Kw per phase industrial heater; it can be set on full or half power. This gives the generator something to do, and an extra bonus is a bit of indoor heating if its a winter job!
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MattStolton
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To load bank properly, get a 3 phase hairdryer the size of a transit, and dump 25-40% of genset through it. Or at Glastonbury, run undermud heating elements, to dry things out. Getting power that nice, is that silly. Big thing in L&SI mag a few years back about how much load banking at festies, all burning diesel, may not be so good. And takes proper planning. Try clamp metering your system off of a mains supply, to see what it actually is drawing, with a PF display somewhere on your distro. May give you some idea? Most of my junk is QSC, and manuals offer guidance as to current draw vs load vs program material. Not a bad way to guesstimate.
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Matt Stolton - Technical Director (!!!) - Wilding Sound Ltd
"Sparkius metiretur vestra" - "Meter Your Mains" |
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Boxes-R-Blue
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about 15% of 2KVA is 300VA, which a 250W twister (if it is the halogen thing I think it is) would cover (2KVA genset prob has a 0.85 PF so 250W is about 300VA)......
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Kinda Been there, Kinda done that, YOU COULDN'T handle my bar bill!
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Boxes-R-Blue
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If the transformer is too heavy just use 4 Jo-Jo reels in series, you should get about the 10.76KV voltage drop you are looking for. You may want to print your RAMS on 3" thick PTFE paper and stack the first 2 Jo-jo reels on that! |
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Kinda Been there, Kinda done that, YOU COULDN'T handle my bar bill!
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MattStolton
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And don't forget, over 6KVA and you need to "plan" your distro and make someone competent as SPR!! I know BS7909 has its weaknesses, and plenty of critics, but a good starting point.
TBH, stick an earth spike in the ground, bond your E & N to it, and chuck a chain over your nearest overhead supply cable. You may need a 11KV to "230v" stepdown transformer...3 Chains for 3 phase, but make sure you maintain the L1/L2/L3 sequence, bit of masking tape works for labelling. |
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Matt Stolton - Technical Director (!!!) - Wilding Sound Ltd
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Earplug
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Like a lot of other things in our world, I´d say that it would also depend on the build quality and QC of the generator and it´s electronics. There are a lot of cheapo units floating around out there, so it pays to be carefull. And looking at the load the OP has stated, there are a lot of cones to move. I wouldn´t trust anything under 15kVA, diesel and a reputable make. |
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al_x
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I swear the consensus on this forum 15 years ago was that you didn’t need as big a genny as the power of the rig. i.e. 5k rig 4K genny. I’m going a bit senile but pretty sure this was a thing.
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Noyzmunky
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Whats the % of max output that would be valid as a static load? 5%? 10%? 15%? On a 2kva gen would a 100w lightbulb in a desk lamp be enough to offer a stabilising factor? or maybe a bit more... 250w twister light? I ask because it's a little 2.5k max gen that I use to run the rig at the storage for background. It only runs the rig at the moment and never to the point the generator notices any draw (change in engine pitch) but it would seem I would be best placed to put some draw on it, how much though? |
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Boxes-R-Blue
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Ford has hit eh nail on the head here. Genset track VERY badly from 5-50% loading, like complete crap. Put a 200KVA set down on that load and expect havoc, size isn't your friend here, trick is to move the set up so that the audio load is causing it to track in the 15-120% region (yes a genset will take continuous 20% overload peaks as they have a "motor start duty" so 20% overload in nothing for a few cycles. Discharge lights are great for constant load, but make bloody sure they have PFC caps in! A small set (<45KVA) may have a 0.9 or worst Power factor, so you could slam 40KW of tungsten light on it (or other near "unity" load) but power amps are no nice load, your QSC will be be reactive with an adverse power factor and you PKNcould well use 6 pulse inversion which cause massive current distortion and de-rates your genset through the floor. It is real option to stuff 2KW of halogen floodlights or even a fan heater on full to buffer your machine and move it into the "happy-zone" of load tracking. It has been said on here "meter your mains" I really would consider making sure you have the means to do this, Volts, Hz and PF being you main concern (amps less so) if your frequency is all over the shop then your set is being stalled by your load (IE the motor speed drop due to lack of HP and then over runs as the governor fires in more fuel to compensate) if you volts are all over you have AVR tracking issues (remember 10% Over voltage will F8ck most kit) and if you PF is moving around like thong on prom night you have found out why your AVR has the right raging hump! Also, use a blood thick cable from you set to your rig, 15KVA in single phase mode is 60A, so 16mm2, if you going more than 20M use 25mm2, it really does make a MASSIVE difference not having a feeder cable flying around like Billy Sheenan's E-string! |
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