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Originally posted by adambomb adambomb wrote:

exactly... great distances  / higher power are far better / closer to true performance.
 
I'm not saying the porn will be bad plot wise (listening wise it's beautiful).. but I bet it was designed to give a flat response at 1m for marketing purposes.
 
try giving them a proper listen, you will find they give a flat response at 1m or 10m....
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Have you measured that then? Bet they don't!
 
I said they sound beautiful.. and they do, at whatever distance... all I'm saying is if Rog (or any speaker designer) had any brain they would design the cab to plot perfectly at 1m as that's what all the manufacturers specs use... It's like 0-60 times on cars and the long 2nd gear most cars now have (so you can get to 60 with only one gear change, hence giving a more impressive figure)... it's a marketing trick that anyone would employ.
 
Digidrive.. has presets for the porn which have probably had hours and hours tweaking  / measuring / tweaking time... you think Rog didn't use them??? Seriously? They day turned into a porn sales demo really.. be honest.
 
I got far better plots out of the MA912s on a later measuing session with much more tweaking / playing with delays / eq.
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Originally posted by adambomb adambomb wrote:

Have you measured that then? Bet they don't!
 
I said they sound beautiful.. and they do, at whatever distance... all I'm saying is if Rog (or any speaker designer) had any brain they would design the cab to plot perfectly at 1m as that's what all the manufacturers specs use... It's like 0-60 times on cars and the long 2nd gear most cars now have (so you can get to 60 with only one gear change, hence giving a more impressive figure)... it's a marketing trick that anyone would employ.
 
Digidrive.. has presets for the porn which have probably had hours and hours tweaking  / measuring / tweaking time... you think Rog didn't use them??? Seriously? They day turned into a porn sales demo really.. be honest.
 
I got far better plots out of the MA912s on a later measuing session with much more tweaking / playing with delays / eq.
 
if Rog really wanted to mess about with the results he could have done so anytime because he was doing the measuring and had the plots.  this is going down a path i dont want to be involved in so i shall leave you guys to it.
 
ps.  with all the tweaking / playing with delays / eq.. do the bokes sound decent now?
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Originally posted by Heathrow_B_line Heathrow_B_line wrote:

Originally posted by adambomb adambomb wrote:

Hmm... funny how the porn got almost the same plot at the mid / top clash with apparently no EQ... should never have used Rog's Digi drive.. too open to messing... still a good plot tho even with EQ.
 
 
i would trust Rog to do what he says hes doing
theres magic trick done by the big boys
next time use your own gear and laptop, see what happens
 
wasn't there some magic tricks done at the show with the new bass bins?
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What are you guys shouting about? He gives you all th settings for your controller anyways!!
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Cant see any pro cab ever being perfect in FQ response at 1m or 30m's without some f**king around with controllers.
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Don't waste your money on a controller, just buy the porn horn and chuck it straight on an amp

Edited by mykey - 30 January 2008 at 12:10pm
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Exactly... the ALL need delay / EQ to sound right... PORN INCLUDED MYKEY
 
I just said that we should plot Xtros from greater distances as it would be a better reprisentation of the real use.. and that most manufacturers have probably designed there cabs to plot well at 1m... with less regard to larger distances.. or perhaps tweaked EQ + delay settings to plot well at 1m.
 
But me, like Tom Danley thinks this is the wrong way of doing it (nobody in there right mind stands 1m infront of a horn loaded mid / top at full chat).
 
Maybe I should't have used Rog as an example.. my bad.. anyway.. it's fun to promote lively debate on here.


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gay porn? I'll get me coat
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Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

Originally posted by Heathrow_B_line Heathrow_B_line wrote:

Originally posted by adambomb adambomb wrote:

Hmm... funny how the porn got almost the same plot at the mid / top clash with apparently no EQ... should never have used Rog's Digi drive.. too open to messing... still a good plot tho even with EQ.
 
 
i would trust Rog to do what he says hes doing
theres magic trick done by the big boys
next time use your own gear and laptop, see what happens
 
wasn't there some magic tricks done at the show with the new bass bins?
 
Mikey, you need to read a few posts up mate, because adam just said that after I left he played around with the settings with his own gear and got a much better response.
 
So either he's better at tricks than me or I didn't play any. This is why shootouts are a waste of time. You're much better of getting a load of people around kit they know how to set up well and putting on some good tunes whilst having a beer and a chat about it. Then compare one system or bit of kit to another. Its so unlikely that a few people at the event will understand how to get the best out of all the kit at the shootout and that can mean that some really misunderstood bit of kit might get rejected because no one either knows or can be bothered to get the best from it. That makes the whole reasoning behind a shootout pointless.
 
And if you could kindly explane what tricks I played with the Stasys X at PLASA that would be nice.


Edited by Rog Mogale - 10 February 2008 at 11:39am
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