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    Posted: 31 March 2008 at 5:59pm
Ok here is the idea that we can work it out.
After making some line array boxes that didnt turned out bad at all i am planing to build a more compact one just for easier handling.

Here is a draft plan

Mylesound asked me in another topic about the HF guide. I didnt have the money to buy the P-Audio PH 14525 so i have build a wooden wave guides. I know that they are not ideal but that is the compromise  we always make when money are tight.
This was my starting idea of what the horn has to look like
Except mine are 28cm long and horn opening is 13cm high and 2,6cm wide. Two of those are fitted vertically in one box.






And a few pictures of the building process



And one in action



Edited by MarjanM - 31 March 2008 at 6:03pm
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wow so thats yours Lol ive seen a pic of it before
nice finish!
that wave guide looks complicated to build tho.
if the Paudio is that expencive how about the new B&C ME 102?
its only about 90 USD. would it be able to work 140deg. horozontal
and a 1K cutoff.
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I have tried P-Audio PH 14525 slot modules with few (from medium class to top class) HF drivers... attached on 100deg. plywood flare. ..And I was not happy with sound coming from those.

Simple plywood slot (very close to those you make) ,attached to same plywood flare sounded much better in all aspects of HF sound.

 

Something is definitely wrong with those PH 14525 modules (... my opinionEmbarrassed)

..And one detail more,. if you disassemble one of those you will see that this device even increase path length differences to slot front plane instead to equal it.. Confused

 
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Looks great. We are paying so much for just a name when one can make great sounding speakers yourself! Had a look inside PAudio line arrays. Impressive I have to say, but you would need heavy duty hoisting gear to lift them. Your seem easy to stack! Well done!!

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Mylesound, it is not that expensive around 50EUR but for 12 boxes it needs 24 of them. So that will be like 1200EUR.
All i need for those boxes are better HF drivers. BMS 4550 would be ideal. It can be crossed at 800Hz.

Stipe, thanks for the advice man :-)

I have never seen a P-Audio line array. Any link?
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he probly just meant the HF guide. Ive searched and havent found anything. unless its something behind the scene.

and i guess building the HF module is the cheaper way and apparently the better sounding way too.


question. how will the 12" and 5" work?
will it be like a normal reflex or a transmission?

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If they are placed apart within 1/4 wave of the highest frequency they are playing they will couple well. When you achieve a long enough array (around 2m) they significantly gain in vertical directivity. That is the whole idea of the line array's reduced lose in gain over distance.

ME102 can be used in this kind of box. You will just have to use appropriate 1inch driver that can go down to 800-1000Hz and that will be BMS drivers.

If we use a Nexo trick (as used on GeoS) it can be two way box with just the 12 and 2-3 HF drivers crossed at 800Hz.
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yeah i kinda like that idea. i wanted the JBL VRX 932 one 12" and 3 1.5"
2 way seems to be in my intrest for top end. smaller, and possibly less power needed




* hows it coming along MarjanM?

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so the end................

just like other line array threadsClap

I don't know why still alot of us here don't fancy line arrays................

is it because of SAFETY in flying..............or.........BUDGET...........

what about ground stacking these craps vertically................with some use of scafoldings (correct my spelling pls. if I mispelled the word) ...




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.....power is nothing without control....
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Originally posted by staiper staiper wrote:


..And one detail more,. if you disassemble one of those you will see that this device even increase path length differences to slot front plane instead to equal it.. Confused




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Well if you look at the drivers in my boxes it is not that the budget is a problem.
I have 2 Delta12A and 2 PSD2002 in them. So that cost me around 220 Eur for drivers per box.
That ain't too expensive. I just need to upgrade the HF part with BMS4550 and that will be 320 EUR per box including the deltas.

For the box like in the drawing above i was planing to use:
One Delta 12A - 55 EUR
Two Alfa 6 - 60 EUR
Two BMS 4550 - 210 EUR

Total 325 EUR

If budget is allowing a better 12 and 6 inch drivers can be used.

They can be ground stacked or flown.
I dont think that rigging equipment will cost me more than 50 EUR per box.
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What do the inside of your HF horns look like Marjan?
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