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    Posted: 31 May 2005 at 8:24pm

"or BL/sqrt(Re) (depending on whom you read) "

Gives the same relative ranking, but my method uses fewer keystrokes and can be used with a four function calculator.

Whatever you're comfortable with.



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Nice work guys!!
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or BL/sqrt(Re) (depending on whom you read)
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The Punisher II cutsheet is ready, you can find it as a Word document at:

www.speakerstore.nl

ATTENTION: the measurement on panel 9 should be 27.47cm!

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BL is a red herring.

The correct formula for comparing woofer drive force is BL^2/Re

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You can find the T/S for the 4 ohm version over here:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~hofmanpa/index.html

Unfortunatly this site doesn't allow for direct linking so you have to look in the speaker section yourself.

There will be very small changes in response but you can say both 4 and 8 ohm version give about the same result. So far I have only heard the 4 ohm version.

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does anybody have the T/S for trhe 4 ohm version of ciare 12.00SW so I can simulate the two and answer the question myself?
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Originally posted by Nexus_3 Nexus_3 wrote:

I am aware of certain parameters being automaticly different ,
Quote are they the same except, re, le, Bl

Obviously Re and Le are different(double or half),but that matters little to the horn. I cant remember how BL changes with differing impedence of voice coil...simply because the drivers I see are generally one or the other

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I am aware of certain parameters being automaticly different ,
Quote are they the same except, re, le, Bl
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Originally posted by Nexus_3 Nexus_3 wrote:

have you ever used the 8 ohm version of the ciare driver or only the 4 ohm? I don't have T/S for the 4 ohm version, are they the same except, re, le, Bl

What I'm triyng to say is: will the 8 ohm driver sound the same as the 4 ohm one?

I don't know which one I can get my hands on, here in Romania (if I can)

 

 

I bet,that theres no audible difference. Be aware that BL depends on Re,so it will appear different,but it must be the same because the horn is exactly the same,and BL affects the horn alot.

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have you ever used the 8 ohm version of the ciare driver or only the 4 ohm? I don't have T/S for the 4 ohm version, are they the same except, re, le, Bl

What I'm triyng to say is: will the 8 ohm driver sound the same as the 4 ohm one?

I don't know which one I can get my hands on, here in Romania (if I can)

 

 

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Walt: Youl be aware that I agree with your design idea with the punisher.

What is your opinion of the heating effect in the small rear chamber? Is it substantial or not worrying? Im interested in any papers on this subject.

Also im interested in the subsonic filtering action of the sealed rear chamber-and 2HD caused by its tiny volume

http://www.woodartistry.com/linkwitzlab/images/graphics/ai r-distortn.gif

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