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Barry said dont burn it
I decided I was going to add two inches.
Catman said he was told three.
As I don't know whether Catman had double baffle, and therefore smaller chamber I said 70mm. I also have some big box section bracing in the front chamber between front and back baffles. So my chamber is possibly smaller due to double front and rear baffles and box sections, that's why I went 70mm not 75.
HBL, seems to me you are eother talking about something completly different or have missed the point: YES the 1850 will probably do a better job in a mini scoop. HOWEVER, the original design of this scoop had problems, the drivers were acting as if in free air (nearly). In this situation the v1200 would survive because of what Rog explained.
Now the design is OK different drivers can be tried by those who want. I want two bins that are indestructable, hence the V1200. I also hate PD with a passion, their quality control is crap, their kits for re-cones I have seen oval with my own eyes. Royal, Fane or Void here only for me. 
 
Edit spelling, whether, doh!


Edited by nickyburnell - 16 March 2009 at 9:05pm
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Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Now the design is OK different drivers can be tried by those who want. I want two bins that are indestructable,









Nick, please bring Fido to NW London sometime, so we can check his teeth. LOL
"Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy".
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On the cards at some point. Going to do the second one identical.
 Woof.
  Staips comments would be nice.......
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Don't listen to HBL, ignore his posts, the ones I have just read, I don't know why I bovered
 
HBL, you work with autocad, please don't give advice on here.............you have a few years to go yet
 
there are people that come on here fresh HBL, if they read your posts they may think you are serious
 
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Originally posted by Heathrow_B_line Heathrow_B_line wrote:

Rog is a good designer, his front loaded horns are ace!
 
But the fact remains he is not the authority on scoop design...
 
Thank f**k for that. It's worked then.
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LOL
smart man Rog
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Originally posted by catman int catman int wrote:

stipe where are you.Tongue
he'll be designing a Mk2, as if we need any more scoops on this planet, they already cause enough problems lol
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Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

 One bit of wood and 70mm, who'd believe it?
Like putting you thumb over the end of your garden hose, simple stuff!
all has been said on here before, I suppose some don't take it in.
 
you have made the chamber smaller, increased the length of horn by a smidgen, and made the thoat 580 it looks like
 
so the effects would be a bit louder with a little loss of low end, as would be expected 
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Thank f**k for that. It's worked then.
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LOL
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Originally posted by Rog Mogale Rog Mogale wrote:

Originally posted by Heathrow_B_line Heathrow_B_line wrote:

Rog is a good designer, his front loaded horns are ace!
 
But the fact remains he is not the authority on scoop design...
 
Thank f**k for that. It's worked then.


I bet his mind is now only focused on creating one scoop to rule them all...

We shall see Tongue
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Bet it's not. No business sense in that,
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Stipe has a young baby around, I imagine he's got other things to be spending his time on!

HBL it's a shame that you're so obsessed with being provocative/controversial. You've done loads of good work cadding up designs, posting up build pics etc. and generally helping people out. Yet I have to take your posts with a mountain of salt. Have you got any response to Nicky's post or are you just out to try and prove Rog doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to scoops and big bass drivers?

As you already know every scoop (/speaker) design makes compromises and you completely ignore this in your assessment of Rog's design. Designs on this site were primarily for the DIY community i.e. easy builds and a good intro to speaker building. RX18 is very heavy as you know. Likewise supers and shortmans each suit different drivers, as you know. If Rog wanted to optimize a scoop design around a certain driver he could, got better things to be doing though.

Dunno why I'm getting into a scoop argument I really don't care lolLOL
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