Ciare 18SW ; Bass Maker or Heart Breaker? |
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DubSirenSpecialist
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I use the Ciare 18SWs in some bass horn boxes of my own design. Very very impressive, great for sub horns no good for kicks though, they shift tonnes of air and welly up your belly, definate trouser rattlers.
Lean business of Ipswich do them, at a good price too. I have them running on a Cerwin Vega CV5000 at 2ohm stereo and they sound great with roots/reggae/dub. |
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I have pair in some moded eminence scoops, they sound ok. Looking to change them out soon though.
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@ Dub spec any pics of ya horns sound interesting
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Just took a look at this driver,
IMHO, personally not for me. Above in red say why. Xmax figure is b*llcks, real figure is 6.5 - 8.5, depending on fudge theorem utilised. Plenty of British Drivers would smash this. 0.88% efficiency, Fane 18XB would be almost 3x times louder, with 800W power input. Edited by levyte357- - 22 October 2012 at 9:14pm |
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Their calculations for voice coil overhang do seem rather funny although I think total balls is stretching it somewhat:
(33-10)/2 = 11.5, not 14 11.5mm of real voicecoil overhang is a lot though. 14mm looks like a figure maybe obtained by them looking for the 90% BL point (I think thats what some people use, please correct me if I'm wrong) as using the above formula + (overhang X 0.21) would be a very strange thing to use. Looks like in the right cab it'd be a total beast. Its very different in terms of parameters to most others I've seen. The error on the resonant frequency of +-7Hz seems a bit strange too, although its nice to see errors - the PD website needs to state these really if it wants to justify putting their parameters to 5 significant figures (now that really does seem like a gimick). |
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levyte357-
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OK, guess you used info from here http://oem.ciare.com/pdf_oriz.php?info=372, Used the figures from here, http://www.usspeaker.com/ciare%201800sw-1.htm Which are,
Which painted much less optimistic picture. The Qes, Qts, Vas, "ref efficiency", still speak med grade car speaker to me. Can't possibly fathom why someone would want to use driver with referency efficiency < 1.0, in PA cab. Edited by levyte357- - 22 October 2012 at 10:06pm |
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Reference efficiency is less important in a horn than it is if the driver is to be used in a reflex box, especially a big long horn, the main reason for the low direct radiating efficiency is the high MMS, thick cone and long coil. With the added mass of the air in the horn the difference between a 200g moving mass and a 370g moving mass will be much less of a factor than with a direct radiator.
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Very well put point. My other issue with this driver in a long horn being, the Qes/Qts on the 18.00SW, does not "seem" to be compatible with the tight throat/compression in a horn like the WSX. |
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Plenty of British Drivers would smash this.<--Yes Lev very true. Would like PD1850 but i'm in the USA and don't have the budget for that. Option are down to RCF-L18P300 and TBX100. Lev any thoughts between the too? |
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For what cab? For Folded horn/scoop, 18TBX100 not my favorite driver, but easily superior to this Ciare effort. For reflex, RCFL18P300 also much superior to the Ciare. |
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Thanks Lev There modified eminence scoop.
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Reviving an old thread, this is a driver I have been investigating for use in a large system, in a domestic environment (not PA) http://www.loudspeaker.com/Ciare/18.00SW#8%CE%A9 - http://www.loudspeakerdatabase.com/Ciare/18.00SW#8%CE%A9 I propose to load it in a sealed box for a low(ish) QTc of around ~0.6 a quick run through WinISD gives around 200 litres. Still available here at Lean Business (Ipswich) https://www.lean-business.co.uk/eshop/ciare-1800-sw-18-800-watt-8ohm-20htz-subwoofer-p-1762. - https://www.lean-business.co.uk/eshop/ciare-1800-sw-18-800-watt-8ohm-20htz-subwoofer-p-1762.html Thoughts?
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