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    Posted: 15 April 2009 at 1:10am
Not really a subject i know anything about hence the question. Last weekend it seemed that my amps where lighitng up the clip light on the amps at realatively low outputs from the mixer, about 70% of what they normally seem to do and well before the avc2 kicked in. I have heard this can happen if you are trying to draw too much current from a single power supply to power your amps. Im just wondering if we have now reached the max we can pull of normal plug in a pub or if something else was up with our rig.

We were running this off a single 13amp socket, is it too much and do i need to invest in some sort of distro as its always been fine in the past

first ep2500, both channels driven into 8r loads at full whack for bass
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It was most notable whilst playing reggae with the bass lines causing the clip to occur although it did also happen during a jungle set which again is very bass heavy. Other types of music seemed ok and it didnt appear to make any audible difference to the music when it was going into clip. Also no audible or visual damage has occured to any of the drivers so im hoping we got through it ok.

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you can draw a constant 13 amps  from a 13amp socket safely
 
exactly how much current were you drawing?
 
get a meter on it instead of waffling on
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Originally posted by fat_brstd fat_brstd wrote:

Not really a subject i know anything about hence the question. Last weekend it seemed that my amps where lighitng up the clip light on the amps at realatively low outputs from the mixer, about 70% of what they normally seem to do and well before the avc2 kicked in. I have heard this can happen if you are trying to draw too much current from a single power supply to power your amps. Im just wondering if we have now reached the max we can pull of normal plug in a pub or if something else was up with our rig.

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It was most notable whilst playing reggae with the bass lines causing the clip to occur

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Maybe there was a lot more on the ring main you were connected to. As a ring main is supposed to be good for 32A, (not thru one socket though.. LOL)




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Originally posted by Heathrow_B_line Heathrow_B_line wrote:

you can draw a constant 13 amps  from a 13amp socket safely
 
exactly how much current were you drawing?
 
get a meter on it instead of waffling on


I have no idea how much current I was drawing. I dont have a way of measuring it and wouldnt know how to do so even if I had the kit to do so.. That is why i gave the list of everything that we where using off the one plug socket.
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Why not just add up all the watts for each unit???

If you go over 3000 watts then you will need more than one plug socket.
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Early clipping does seem to be a thing that happens when the voltage of the supply drops, eg running from a generator that cant quite keep up.

Although in theory you can draw 13amps from a 13amp socket, in practice this isnt always true. For example a car might have a 200mph top speed, but that doesnt mean it can run at 200mph all day. the quality of the wiring makes a difference.

a single extension lead, especially if its a long one, is a bad plan - if u have to use one, use excessively thick wire.

someone cleverer than me can explain the physics of it, but I am under the impression that if you draw a constant 13amps on standard domestic style ring main, you will notice that the internal wiring does warm up. as your wiring warms up your resistance increases, and the voltage drops. this causes your amps to clip early.
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buy one of these, then report back...
 
 
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seconded on heathrows above post, and get some proper 13amp leads, not white domestic things!!
 
looks for 13amp leads with 'duraplug' branded plugs and sockets (high quality tough good ones) on 1.5mm or 2.5mm 'rubber H07' type cable. sorted
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Someone told me he could pull 30A from a plug if he replaced the fuse with a nail, not exactly safe tho, I wouldn't recommend it! LOL
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26A actually, that's 13A down each "side" of the ring main to the socket in question. And yes it is not to be recommended as the internals of a 13A plug are only good for 13A, no matter what cable is shoe-horned into it!
And the voltage you would get at the t'other end of a nautical mile of twin-and-earth wrapped round the building twice before it gets near the breaker board, while drawing 26A down it, will be quite a bit less than 230v - this will not make your amps happy. And the wiring will be hot to the touch. Shame this is a situation so commonly found!
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The back of you're Amps etc should tell you how much current they draw, in amps, near to the mains input. eg 5 amps or 8 amps etc. This will tell you how much current draw the unit will take at constant full power. Try to use 2.5mm cable extensions no more than 6m long if possible. If you are in a venue where there are more sockets try to use the amps directly connected into the wall sockets and the other items through extensions. don't use long extension reels that are partially still wound as this will cause the cable to overheat and sometimes melt. The secret is to take the item to the power not the power to the item. Also be very aware of the correct size of fuse in the Plugs or the item. If they have 3 amp or 5 amp fuses never replace them with a higher value as the fuse in the plug is only the last resort protection for the circuit. If the Equipment is faulty and a fuse blows in the plug, it's usually becuase there has been a nasty short circuit or a sudden spike. Remember it's not the amount of voltage that neccessarily kills its the amount of current drawn at that instant. BE SAFE NOT DEAD.  

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