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Vaso_Bobinata
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Posted: 13 October 2018 at 11:59pm |
Only ifi could see that graph the links are broken.
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schiller
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I just saw your plots , thanks a lot for sharing your efforts with us. Really a pity you didn't put that mic on the ground, but i believe the difference under 100 Hz wouldn't be much-if any. This is the only 1850 measurement available in the universe :-) What i see from the plot, is that in case of a single horn per side and in a room (yes there are people using this designs for hi-fi) bass from 50 Hz will be awesome. Maybe the 186 can better this, because of higher Qes driver, which loads better down low. Does the peak at cutoff indicate a smaller than needed back chamber, a larger throat or both?? Thanks again, greetings from Athens (Greece) Konstantinos |
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jethrocker
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Read back Jake.. the mic is on the ground so that its loading conditions are the same throughout the frequency spectrum. If were at a given height, it would couple with the floor up to a given frequency, but not above that frequency. The idea is to take a groundplane (halfspace) reading.
That's the way I got it anyway. |
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Jake_Fielder
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If the height of the mic makes so much difference, wouldnt it be more usefull to have it the same height off the ground as an average persons height?? |
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pfly
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Rog
Would that 60-70hz dip be there because of some cancellation stuff going on between the ground and the mike? |
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pfly
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The point wasn't being really scientific, but to test out the equipment (1850s and the measuring software) I wanted to see how different ways of stacking affects the response.
As I said we didn't drive them hard. Amp was bridged because it was wired that way already. Thanks for the info though, we'll try to be more accurate next time Edited by pfly - 11 May 2009 at 7:07am |
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Rog
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You place the speaker on the ground and then place the mic 2 meters away from the front of the speaker pointing at it. The mic must be on the ground with the capsule touching the ground. If you then feed the speaker 2.83 volts (presuming its an 8 ohm load) you will get a 1w/1m reading.
The mic must be at 2 meters as you gain 6dB from halfspace loading, but lose this 6dB by the mic being double the distance away from the speaker.
It dosen't take much of a distance to effect the reading if the mic is rasied of the floor, even at LF. The mic in some the the pics from the 1850 horn measurements looks like its about 1 meter from the floor, which would still effect the reading.
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jethrocker
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So if you wanted to measure the actual halfspace response you would keep the mic at 1 metre, or do you mean that the extra 6dB results from the halfspace loading on the mic itself. I see now that mic on the ground makes sense to maintain the same loading conditions at all frequencies, though I'd still assume that the mic being a very short distance of the floor would make very little difference at low frequencies? |
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Rog
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Yes for comparsion the plots are very usefull.
For groundplane measurements the mic should not be close to the ground, it should be on the ground. Halfspace loading will give 6dB of gain, so if you postion the mic 2 meters away, which will lose you 6dB, you will end up with a 1 meter reading.
2.83 volts in for 8ohms or 2.00 volts on for 4 ohms. I don't understand why they needed to bridge an amp into 1 ohm. Most measurements are taken with between 1 watt and 100 watts. Unless you are measuring power compression, there is no need for mega power amps when doing freuqency responses.
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jethrocker
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So would you say that for measuring groundplane response of bassbins mic should be close to the floor so any halfwave gain would be well out of band?
Though the plots may not be accurate in terms of overall response, i think they're useful to demonstrate the changes in response from different stacking configs...something that comes up here again and again. The results seem to follow theory at least in that respect, you can see the slight extension gained by coupling and the general response slope lifting at bottom end. |
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Rog
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Sorry to say this but those measurements are compleatly irrelevant.
You never take readings with a measurement mic at x distance from the ground. The mic to floor distance doubled with exhibit gain as you have half space condidtions. Above this you are working in free space. So you are in effect working in two different loading condidtions with the frequency set by the mic to the floor distance.
Please try to learn something about proper groundplane measuremnts before you undertake any measurments. You had a great opportunity and some good measurement kit at your disposal, and if you had taken the measurements correctly some very valid plots to share.
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