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    Posted: 11 May 2009 at 6:14pm
Hello,
as first i want to say sry for my very bad english i hope you can understand me.

I this forum on a page very good about some speakerplans.
So my questions :
- Is the punisher good without the Xtro ?
- Is the punisher good at 2/4 stacks ?
- Can somebody me prefer some good chassis for the punisher ?

12.00 SW Tiefton-Lautsprecher(ci-35240)           EUR 242,00 < name="typ15" value="1" size="2" maxlength="256" ="text">< name="ci-35240" value="Bestellen" ="auswerten.name, 'Ciare_12.00_SW,_1000W_Subwoofer',24200, shop.typ15.value" ="">

Der 314 mm große und 135 mm tiefe Tieftöner mit Ferrit-Magnet für einen Ausschnitt von 282 mm ist geeignet für den Frequenzbereich von 20 bis 200 Hz.

  • Belastbarkeit: (AES) = 1000 W
  • Impedanz: 8 Ohm
  • Resonanzfrequenz fs = 43,61 Hz
  • Schwingspulendurchmesser: 100 mm
  • Gleichstromwiderstand Re = 6,73 Ohm
  • Induktivität der Schwingspule: 2,35 mH
  • Kennschalldruck SPL = 91 dB (1W; 1m)
  • Äquivalenzvolumen Vas = 32 Liter
  • Freiluftgesamtgüte Qts = 0,38
  • Güten im Detail: Qes= 0,40 / Qms = 6,99
  • effektive Membranfläche: 490 cm2
  • lineare Auslenkung Xmax: 11,5 mm
  • Bl: 25,28
  • Gewicht: 11,1 kg
 Sry it is is in german but is that the original loudspeaker for the horn ?

Thanks


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Hi and welcome to the forum

So my questions :
- Is the punisher good without the Xtro ?

yes, that is the recomended mid top for the punisher

- Is the punisher good at 2/4 stacks ?

the punisher is recommended in stacks of at least 2 units
4 are better :))


- Can somebody me prefer some good chassis for the punisher ?

You have already found the recommended Driver, The Ciare 12.00SW
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Thanks for the nice contact.

can somebody tell me the mass ca from the punisher ? 50 Kilo ?
what for a amp i need for the 12.00sw from ciare ? full 2 kw on 8 ohm ? or is 1.5kw far enough ... ?


"So my questions :
- Is the punisher good without the Xtro ?

yes, that is the recomended mid top for the punisher"

So i can take every mid/high unit ? but the xtro is the best one ?

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well the X-tro is a perfect match for the punisher, yes. I mean, I think the 'best' would probably be Turbosound aspects or something of that ilk.

I would say around 60Kg for a loaded Punisher, manageable one person lift.

As a horn loaded cab you'll need at least 2 per side. In a stack of 6 they are pretty amazing
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What is the favourite weed ( or wood ?? holz ) for the punisher ? in price / weight and stablilität ?

How much kw i need for the ciare sw 12.00 ? full 2 kw ? or are 1 kw enough ?

edit: to the ciare 12.00 sw i think it is a problem with the 91db/1w/1m ? it is very low ?



Mfg


Edited by Rocky1991 - 11 May 2009 at 7:42pm
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wood (weed) eastern european birch - 11 laminate 15mm.

1k with head room per cab...?
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Originally posted by tomschute tomschute wrote:


1k with head room per cab...?


per one box yes to much or to small output power ?

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91db/1w/1m is no problem, the horn and with 1000w gives you 130dB output, one cab.


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Yes but i must give the cab 1.5 kw when i have a loudspeaker with 99 db i can get over 135 db see you what i mean ?

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I'd say 1500w per cab is about the upper limit to what you want to give them. Six in a stack getting 1275w per cab, is f**king brutal.
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Originally posted by Rocky1991 Rocky1991 wrote:

Yes but i must give the cab 1.5 kw when i have a loudspeaker with 99 db i can get over 135 db see you what i mean ?

Mfg


Dont look just at the drivers sensitivity. The driver and the box work together in order to achieve good results. At the end you have around 105db/1m because of the box.
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yeah its some fairly extreme horn-loading
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