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    Posted: 14 July 2009 at 9:20pm
wow.. its been a while since i asked this question.. i should have monitored it better..
 
the reason i asked the question was because i had a gig coming up (just passed this weekend) and wanted to us my scoops with my double 18s... i chickened out and just took 8 double 18s... bass was bananas but scoops or horn type cabinets would have carried farther to my liking....
 
i'll read the comments and i'll probably be asking a series of question on how to better my system performance in the coming weeks... 3 way vs. 2 way, dual 15s midtop vs single 15s.. etc.
 
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You can't just guesstimate/measure the horn length and base the delay on the path difference. The combined acoustic and electronic response of each frequency range acts as a bandpass filter with its own phase response. You need to measure the devices under test to determine the delay required. A Behringer measurement mic is cheap and most software can be downloaded as a trial. Measuring will also let you get the best out of a digital crossover by tweaking the frequency response of each frequency range.
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distance in metres

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distance devided by speed of sound then multiply by 1000
will give you the ms 
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what kind of delays do people use on their HD15 and X1's i use a 200mm delay on the x1's and reverse the phase 
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because its around these freq where the sound is directly radiated (more like 90hz actually), rather thn through the horn path. 

so you either delay for the high or low freq..
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Originally posted by doober doober wrote:

The upper end would be out because these frequencies are coming direct from the driver, not through several feet of horn like the low frequencies do. The low frequencies are therefore delayed compared to the upper frequencies. This is what gives a scoop its distinctive sound.



Ohhh aye, I did know that the sound is slightly phased on scoops but I never thought that the high frequencies won't make it through the horn. It makes sense though!

I'm determined to learn everything about scoops... Thats the task I've set myself over the  past few days since I've been ill just sat on here all day. I have learnt a hell of a lot as well.

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If you're using a reflex and a scoop, then just leave it, upper bass will come directly from the cones, and will be intime if physically alligned. and you'll have to just let the horn and the port stay as they are....
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The upper end would be out because these frequencies are coming direct from the driver, not through several feet of horn like the low frequencies do. The low frequencies are therefore delayed compared to the upper frequencies. This is what gives a scoop its distinctive sound.
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Originally posted by Saul Saul wrote:

Originally posted by sheffield-junglist sheffield-junglist wrote:

 

Using the reflex over scoop example, you'd have to delay the reflex boxes by the amount of time it took the sound to travel the entire horn length of the scoop and then come out of the mouth.


but if you did that then the upper end of the scoop (60-90hz) would be out. 

That's the thing about scoops is they are usually out of phase. 

This is one of the reasons theyre so crap for live work. 




Why would the upper end be out?

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after going from using no delay on my bass,to exact correct delay settings,i can say i was really impressed ,and obviously,when both cabs are in phase,you are getting the full potential out of both cabs ,and not losing some db by not having each phase aligned.

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