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    Posted: 09 August 2009 at 2:05pm
I'm currently using a pair of QSC 4050's for running bass, but i was curious about the idea of getting rid of them in exchange for a single infinite 8 mk2. I currently run a pair of gsubs off one qsc and the hd15's off another.

However I think i would be better off running 2 gsubs of one channel of the infinite 8 and the HD15'S on the other channel. Can anyone see a problem with this?

I just thought it would be a good thing to do as i intend to go down the Labhorn route fairly soon, and I get the impression that four labs would perform better off a single inf8 than two 4050hd's.

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It's easier to get enough power into the two QSC's than one Inf8.  Two smaller amps are also more flexible.  I can't comment on the sound difference.

I don't like running amps (even ones designed for it) down to 2Ohms/channel unless there is no other option.  Things like speaker cable and connections start being coming more of a factor as the impedance goes down (and current goes up).
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The other thing i might mention is that the people i know who have used infinite 8 mk2 on Lab subs have taken out drivers on regular occasions. I presume this is was mostly down to poor gain structure and wrong limiter settings on the the LMS but as the lab subs combined impedance allows the amp to produce full power into the comparably low RMS drivers the possibility of driver damage is high.

Always sounded nice when they had it right though. I can imagine it would be a nice upgrade to your current system though, the lower end would have alot more weight to it imo.
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Originally posted by Bryan M Bryan M wrote:

The other thing i might mention is that the people i know who have used infinite 8 mk2 on Lab subs have taken out drivers on regular occasions. I presume this is was mostly down to poor gain structure and wrong limiter settings on the the LMS but as the lab subs combined impedance allows the amp to produce full power into the comparably low RMS drivers the possibility of driver damage is high.

Always sounded nice when they had it right though. I can imagine it would be a nice upgrade to your current system though, the lower end would have alot more weight to it imo.


This is the thing. I know the inf 8 is easily capable of taking out these sorts of drivers, but if i run the labs off a 4050, then each bin will be receiving roughly 1300 watts rms, and i'm sceptical as to whether that will be enough. But I have no experience running labs, so I have no idea how much power they can actually take in a real world scenario.
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Originally posted by Spesh Spesh wrote:

I'm currently using a pair of QSC 4050's for running bass, but i was curious about the idea of getting rid of them


I know someone who is looking for a QSC 4050HD right now. Wink
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Aren't the lab 12 6 ohms each to start out with? If that is correct 2 cabs will be less than 2 ohms.
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Originally posted by Spesh Spesh wrote:

Originally posted by Bryan M Bryan M wrote:

The other thing i might mention is that the people i know who have used infinite 8 mk2 on Lab subs have taken out drivers on regular occasions. I presume this is was mostly down to poor gain structure and wrong limiter settings on the the LMS but as the lab subs combined impedance allows the amp to produce full power into the comparably low RMS drivers the possibility of driver damage is high.

Always sounded nice when they had it right though. I can imagine it would be a nice upgrade to your current system though, the lower end would have alot more weight to it imo.


This is the thing. I know the inf 8 is easily capable of taking out these sorts of drivers, but if i run the labs off a 4050, then each bin will be receiving roughly 1300 watts rms, and i'm sceptical as to whether that will be enough. But I have no experience running labs, so I have no idea how much power they can actually take in a real world scenario.
 
weve never had a problem running an inf8mrk2 on 4 labs
i do keep an eye on the limiters and my eye also on the amp meter to give me a rough idea on what power is going into the drivers
 
weve had 4 labs taking 16a most of the time weve used them with no problems
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I'm sure it was davey t who hung 2 labs off one side of a powersoft and the actual impedance presented to the amp whilst running was just above 2 ohms so i think i would be comfortable running 4 labs off a well built amp such as the infinite 8 mk2.

I've seen 6 powered off one amp before, think it may of been a camco vortex 6, can't imagine its going to last long, suprised it held out the night :-) 
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Has anyone tried 2x labs per channel of a crown VZ5?

I've seen that baby knock out a 32amp breaker on dedicated supply, with a pile of 18s per channel, and still not overheat or have any issue. Shocked

So I think manual is little conservative at 2.5kwpc @ 2ohms.


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If your thinking of selling your qsc's i would be interested in one!!

We use the 4050HD to run 2 labs and it performs really well...
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Originally posted by Bryan M Bryan M wrote:

I'm sure it was davey t who hung 2 labs off one side of a powersoft and the actual impedance presented to the amp whilst running was just above 2 ohms so i think i would be comfortable running 4 labs off a well built amp such as the infinite 8 mk2.

I've seen 6 powered off one amp before, think it may of been a camco vortex 6, can't imagine its going to last long, suprised it held out the night :-) 



nah i think it was jeff 9 bar who said about the impedance on his powersofts stating 2.4 ohms a channel when running 4 labs
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Originally posted by oldskool_89 oldskool_89 wrote:

If your thinking of selling your qsc's i would be interested in one!!

We use the 4050HD to run 2 labs and it performs really well...


I think i'm goona hang on to them for the time being. However if an inf 8 MK2 comes up for sale on the forum then i will probably list the qsc's on here. Unless someone offers a straight swap.
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