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Baron Greenback
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Posted: 14 April 2011 at 5:54pm |
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I reckon they look great, and for their intended purpose (seems pretty obvious to me) they look as if they are just what the doctor ordered, that is that they are: light-weight, compact, and capable of reproducing acoustic instruments and vocals with good clarity at a volume level that will be more than ample for thier intended venue placement (pub/wine bar/bistro etc). I think that a setup like this one can lend it's self to a less dominating listening experience which is just what a lot of people are after if they seek a more relaxed vibe! Good work Tony, I think you are on to a winner there.
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SamV
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If it's purely for acoustic then I guess it can makes sense I suppose. I just didn't fancy their chances against other band members/instruments.
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Sam, If I can comment on your thoughts. These speakers are never going to compete with a
conventional large PA, but not every application requires megawatts of power. Tony and myself have exchanged a number of emails about this
type of design since before Christmas. I forget who mentioned it first, but I had been interested because my wife
wants a simple system that she can use when I am not about to set the equipment
up. She has a friend who uses a Fishman solo performer system and asked if I
could make something similar. From my point of view the system needed to
amplify an acoustic guitar and vocals and would be used for a solo performer. Tony expressed an interest so one or two
ideas were batted back and forth. A broken leg before Christmas (I was discharged by the
hospital last month) and an impending employment tribunal case in the New Year
stopped any activity on my part, but Tony pressed ahead and ordered some drive
units; so I get the benefit of listening to them before spending any money. After measuring the speakers we listened to some acoustic
material that I had recorded live. We know the 12” sub can pound with the best
of them and were interested in how the two speakers integrated over the
crossover region. The design has great promise for something so simple, with
the ability to increase the number of drive units or stack cabinets if
required. We also discussed some further development ideas but you’ll
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SamV
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Mmm I dunno Tony, I'm an avid fan of your design and style but 3" still seems wrong to me! Though I'm always open to be proven wrong.
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Uncle Steve here, to add a little to what the proud dad has
already mentioned. The set up and measurement that produced the above graph was
done very quickly and could, depending on taste and time, be tweaked a little
more. The amount of eq applied was minimal, Just three bands used. Two were
very gentle with Qs of about 0.4. One to pull down a small lump centred around
2KHz and the other to compensate for a slight roll off below 400Hz. The only
narrow bandwidth filter was to tame the peak at 10KHz. With no mics involved
the original 10K peak might provide a little zing that some may like, but in
live situations I always consider such peaks to be tempting fate re: feedback.
For a mainly speech system the natural response could improve intelligibility. For speed of set up (The cab was fitted with a 20mm threaded
stand adapter which I didn’t have handy) the cab was placed on top of step
ladders with the sub directly underneath. As such it represents closely a
typical sub with pole mount positioning the little cab about 1.2m above the sub
(single 12” bms reflex loaded) The measurement mic was on axis between the two centre drive
units. With this set up the phase alignment between the sub and mid/tops was
achieved by simply flipping the polarity on the sub. No delay was used.
Obviously for absolute phase on the kick the phase could be reversed on the
mid/tops not the sub. That’s the thing with phase it is relative. The alignment
without recourse to delay means that using a simple analogue crossover would be
possible. With more time I would explore a variety of different cross-over
slopes, mainly to look at how lower order filters would work with a view to
using passive cross-overs. Last night was to give an idea how they worked with
the 12” sub and the result was positive. A quick,” that looks about 45 degrees off axis”, showed a
gradual roll off in response above 8KHz. |
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Tony Wilkes
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OK new baby had its first day out yesterday to meet his Uncle Steve_B for a play on his Smaart machine, let him ride on top of a tame 12" sub and was really very happy with his progress.
After a few tweaks they managed 40-16000 pretty flat in a very civilised style with a X-over at 200hz. Gonna work on getting him a brother now and have arranged to have another day out in a pub type environment where his Aunty Lynn is going to sing and play guitar for them and a few of his pissed-up playmates. This is what he drew when we gave him some crayons, crayons and paper courtesy of Steve_B No EQ on the Sub by the way. More later Tony Edited by Tony Wilkes - 13 April 2011 at 10:38am |
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Teunos
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Going a little off-topic here, sorry Tony. Nice soundcard, and i'd love to stop for a chat and a listen to help you along, but my location isn't very optimal.
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Tony Wilkes
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Took longer than expected due to other projects,
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Baron Greenback
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The doctor recons I'm paranoid... well he didn't say it exactly, but I just knew the bastard was thinking it!
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Ryan94
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Cheers for the reply tony, great project, might well have to build a pair in the summer. How much does the 3" driver cost?
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