SOUNDSYSTEM SOUND-OFF FEBRUARY 2012 |
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slaz
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Whoa !! Forgive me for "poking my nose in" here .... and I prolly really can't speak with any kind of authority here as a white English boy who's never been in Jamaica (but have spent time in the West Indies) ... Now I've spent time around Jamaican-style systems long time .... so here's my take on this .... Differences between PA system and Jamaican-style sound system A PA system is designed for a different kind of event really. The agenda includes running as a business to hopefully make a bit of money. The event generally assumes an audience standing or seated facing the stage, and you want to (as well as possible) "cover" the crowd. Also high on the agenda is practicalities of setup, storage, logistics - to be handled by as small a crew as possible. Also you generally need to be SEEN to be "professional" - in some scenarios you need "rider friendly" gear etc. Generally you're aiming for a flat, controllable sound that adapts to varied types of music, venue, crowd. A Jamaican sound system (I'm talking traditionally here) is a (usually local) COMMUNITY event. That means the sound system guys, the helpers, the artists, MCs, the promoters, the venue, and the crowd generally know each other well. Certainly in Jamaica back in the day - size, weight, transport, storage etc. are simply not an issue - e.g. if wardrobe-size boxes are/were what it takes to get the sound right - so be it. If that means you need extra muscle/whatever to move it, handle it - no problems - plenty of willing strong youths from the community for that. You not paying them a "wage" - it doesn't really affect the economics of the event. The layout tends to be different. In this country at least, (again I'm talking traditionally - back in the day) the typical venue would be "community centre" style .... various rooms/areas ... all generations involved - old boys sitting around playing cards/dominoes drinking rum etc. :-) , food cooking somewhere around ..... other little rooms or alcoves for quieter times, talking. chatting up the gal etc. :-) ..... so the idea is - yeah - if you wanna catch the full force of the mid/top sound you hang by the speakers - otherwise you go hang elsewhere to drink/eat/smoke etc ..... the sound system is NOT trying to soak the whole area in sound. And of course the overall sound is pretty much tailored to one kind of music (mebbe with sub-genres like dub etc.) - hence the use of "reggae pre-amps" with FX etc. Of course in the 21st century, Jamaican-style systems have to compromise and live with the limiations of venues, economics of big systems, beauracracies .... and big up the younger guys who are trying to keep those traditions alive. [End of essay] :-) .... my 2p worth anyway. |
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Motion54
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That was simply a matter of tuning. Freq cutoff shouldve been lower to meet subs in my opinion! They called me yesterday and want to come back in as they believe they know what they did wrong. Looks like they are getting what they came in Soundoff for!!! |
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crucial
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Excellent, exactly what sound-off is primarily for. I would also love to know which church allows them to play out with 4 mini scoops!
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mykey-
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I thought scoops in Jamaica were banned because of noise complaints?
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levyte357
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Believe, their mid section needed more drivers and power not tuning. 3x 2x15"+2" reflex as a simple minimalist approach would have kept up. Some Church systems would have 2x15"+comp reflex per sub. Trust me on this, have much experience dealing with church systems, ask Quadro. |
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bucky d
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Big up to all the sounds on this one ..am sorry I missed this one Hey Hawkeye don't you just love that CREST 9001................. and Barracuda Pre amp as well |
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slaz
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Ey ? Can't be serious - surely ? ... I'd have thought some fella with a clipboard turning up and telling a sound to turn down or telling em how to setup, can't do bla bla etc. would be chased off down the road by cutlass-wielding, pissed off guys. (cutlass=local parlance for machete) It would be like something out of a Tom & Jerry cartoon .... Little story from my stay in Grenada last year .... My mate + me were driving back from somewhere local .... he spotted a mate he hadn't seen for a while who has a bar there - bit off the main drag - early Monday evening - pretty quiet. So we go get a beer in his bar ... bit to eat also .... just yacking .... Anyway - conversation pretty soon turns to the speaker stack in the back of the bar - 4 scoops + coupla kick bins + some kinda tops with piezos ... pretty naff tbh - bit soundlab-ish :-/ .... obviously not used very often though. Anyway I mention my laptop with plenty reggae music + virtual DJ etc. (which I happen to have with me :-) ) - he - being an old fella like us - never really used computers - didn't know much about it. Well - we scared up a mini-jack->RCA cable and plugged it into his little DJ mixer and fired it up. Now this is a pretty quiet neighbourhood really - especially on a Monday evening :-) I was expecting him to say "need to keep it down a bit" ..... but errr... nope :-) Even though this setup was a bit on the naff side, it was about 2-3kW I think, and he didn't spare the gain. So I showed him briefly how VDJ works .... he got the idea pretty fast .... he was loving it :-) Now a few faces popped out onto the balconies of the neighbouring houses - approvng smiles - well the older folk are more likely to approve of the old 70s sweet reggae ..... few peeps come around and lime close by to listen a bit ..... not a HINT of a complaint ..... Thing is - music is totoally endemic in the way of life in the West Indoes - its EVERYWHERE. I'd imagine if someone has banned scoops at some place some time there'll be another agenda going on there .... Edited by slaz - 14 February 2012 at 3:10pm |
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Tekasis
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+1
Personally the overall best sub-bass out of the 4 stacks this night!
Funny enough, the system who used to use/own them didn't make them sound like that, & a few of us were wondering why ?
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Tekasis
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yep, 1000's!
Not bad eh?
Anyone fancy buying an odd one of these scoops unloaded ?
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levyte357
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Maybe because he didn't have one of these sub amps (Note the gain knobs), I also don't remember seeing pre-amp on their set. So what would have happened, if they had Mostek or Barrcuda Pre-amp like everyone else !!!? Edited by levyte357 - 14 February 2012 at 4:58pm |
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mykey-
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mykey-
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........not necessarily scoops, just noise pollution and they switched to T-18 designs
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