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Originally posted by turbo7 turbo7 wrote:

If the output does not satisfy you with proline amp you need a different design, it is the limit of the cab.

I will keep that in mind, I'm aware that scoops got a higher output but I always prefered the clean sound of the x1 for electronic music (and otherwise the warm sound of scoops fro dub & reggae)

Originally posted by turbo7 turbo7 wrote:

 If you like the x1 ( i like them too, but small cab means small output ) you should be very careful, i have blown void drivers very quick which take 400W more in a scoop. 

This too, I think we will go for 2x prolines for 4x x1's, and limit them proper to be safe.

Originally posted by turbo7 turbo7 wrote:

Take a tight chamber scoop design with high BL driver and you have more output and better sound than with the quite unaccurate x1

By speaking of it, witch scoops design would be best for pd1850? I've read the supers fit better with v1000's...

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" it's not just about blowing bass, it's about accurate and precise bass "

that is another reason why you should get scoops. Take a tight chamber scoop design with high BL driver and you have more output and better sound than with the quite unaccurate x1.... dont forget it is a bandpass. If the output does not satisfy you with proline amp you need a different design, it is the limit of the cab.

If you like the x1 ( i like them too, but small cab means small output ) you should be very careful, i have blown void drivers very quick which take 400W more in a scoop.


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thanks very helpfull, no we won't get scoops - it's not just about blowing bass, it's about accurate and precise bass, and I can't use a scoop for that compared to an X1. And I also heard different X1 with different drivers and amps, and I know there is something to improve - obviously the amp-

So, I'm looking for a new amp - not new cabinets. And I don't want to buy a cheap amp unless there is a real good reason, because I all ready have to buy second time after those crests where disappointing.

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get some scoops, you can not compare x1 against a high power 18" scoop.... you will blow drivers in the future i am sure... your subs already reached the limit, i have a lot of experience with x1 and i tell you one thing, get scoops for the music you play... 4 scoops are also happy with a proline and will  give you a lot more output, or buy a standard china  class h design like pronomic xa-1400 or one of the other 100eds of amps with same design but different name for cheap money
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Originally posted by corell corell wrote:

remember, proline has more output than the specs say!

yeah, but it seems that the clipping circuitryl isn't very accurate, so I don't want to take that risk, even if pd1850's can take probably a bit more than v1000's, don't you think?


Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:



Would think test figures for 40-50hz would be of more relevance here.

There are a suprising number of people with Broken Proline 3000, that can't be fixed, after being told they were good for 4 ohm, 2x18s per channel, on sub. Wink


Yes, absolutely, if proline 3000 I would anyway go with 2 for 4 x1's.
So two second hand 8001s or two new prolines?


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Originally posted by corell corell wrote:

remember, proline has more output than the specs say!

Proline 3000:

Hersteller: 2x 1100 Watt an 8 Ohm
Messung: Sinus 2x 1250W/8Ohm, 12db Crest 2x 1550W/8Ohm, Impuls 80Hz 2x 1390W/8Ohm
Hersteller: 2x 1500 Watt an 4 Ohm
Messung: Sinus 2x 2100W/4Ohm, 12db Crest 2x 2200W/4Ohm, Impuls 80Hz 2x 2020W/4Ohm
Hersteller: 2x 1800 Watt an 2 Ohm
Messung: Sinus 2x 2300W/2Ohm, 12db Crest 2x 3000W/2Ohm, Impuls 80Hz 2x 2874W/2Ohm




Would think test figures for 40-50hz would be of more relevance here.

There are a suprising number of people with Broken Proline 3000, that can't be fixed, after being told they were good for 4 ohm, 2x18s per channel, on sub. Wink

 


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remember, proline has more output than the specs say!

Proline 3000:

Hersteller: 2x 1100 Watt an 8 Ohm
Messung: Sinus 2x 1250W/8Ohm, 12db Crest 2x 1550W/8Ohm, Impuls 80Hz 2x 1390W/8Ohm
Hersteller: 2x 1500 Watt an 4 Ohm
Messung: Sinus 2x 2100W/4Ohm, 12db Crest 2x 2200W/4Ohm, Impuls 80Hz 2x 2020W/4Ohm
Hersteller: 2x 1800 Watt an 2 Ohm
Messung: Sinus 2x 2300W/2Ohm, 12db Crest 2x 3000W/2Ohm, Impuls 80Hz 2x 2874W/2Ohm


or what about SAE PXM 1450 or PCM 18 ?
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Originally posted by geoSal geoSal wrote:

macrotech all the way.but again do not clip..

Aight, copy that Smile

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:



CA12 is stripped down version of 8001, so would forget about those for 4 ohm bridge.
5000VZ is nice amp, but old, and no where near the power of 8MK2.

You guys are dealing with serious bass notes, all night, so for you suggest either Proline 3000 in bridge or 8MK2 4 ohm stereo.

Just use nice external, analogue limiter/compressor before sub amp.

Ok, so you would prefer a 8001 over a ca12? do they handle 4ohm bridge properly?
5000vz probably a bit a risk of the occasion market and proline 3000 over all of them exept the inf8?

cheers guys, for all the feedbacks so far!


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Originally posted by Tengu Collective Tengu Collective wrote:

I'm currently thinking about inf8, macrotech5000, ca18 or so on, but they are **** expensive.

We all ready had a few sessions where we powered our x1's with the inf8 and I was heavy, but i also hear a lot of negative feedback on how the void amps are manufactured.

Due to great supply on the second hand market in germany I'm thinking about:

2x Crest ca12 (2x1200 - 4ohm / 2200 - 4 ohm bridget)
2x Crest 8001 (2x1200 - 4 ohm / 2800 - 4 ohm bridget)
1x Crown Macrotech 5000 vz (2x2600 - 4 ohm parallel mono) (no THAT many on the market)

what do you guys think? 

Edit: there may also be some ca18 to find...


CA12 is stripped down version of 8001, so would forget about those for 4 ohm bridge.
5000VZ is nice amp, but old, and no where near the power of 8MK2.

You guys are dealing with serious bass notes, all night, so for you suggest either Proline 3000 in bridge or 8MK2 4 ohm stereo.

Just use nice external, analogue limiter/compressor before sub amp.
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I'm currently thinking about inf8, macrotech5000, ca18 or so on, but they are **** expensive.

We all ready had a few sessions where we powered our x1's with the inf8 and I was heavy, but i also hear a lot of negative feedback on how the void amps are manufactured.

Due to great supply on the second hand market in germany I'm thinking about:

2x Crest ca12 (2x1200 - 4ohm / 2200 - 4 ohm bridget)
2x Crest 8001 (2x1200 - 4 ohm / 2800 - 4 ohm bridget)
1x Crown Macrotech 5000 vz (2x2600 - 4 ohm parallel mono) (no THAT many on the market)

what do you guys think? 

Edit: there may also be some ca18 to find...


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