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    Posted: 04 March 2020 at 2:40pm
Thank you so much for posting that, it's very interesting and helpful.

As you will have seen, there is almost no published information about these systems either on the internet or elsewhere.

A definitive first hand account from the original designer is extremely useful to have. Would you like to write up the full history of the company and add any more details you can remember?

(for my sins, I worked at Martin Audio in the 1980's...)


edited to add:

Oh, and the comments re the lenses were not about the grilles.
JBL always advised that the plates should be open at the sides for the lens effect to work at its optimum. But of course that left them vulnerable to damage, so they had to be boxed for road use. Some companies used very deep front lids that allowed the sides to be exposed when removed.




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Great to have you on board! Really neat career by the way.. friend of mine went from club engineer/maintenance to 4g/5g transmission systems but in between far less interesting choices :)

For the time of the design of the system quit some technics in the system like the crossover and such
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Hi

I am the original designer of the RSE PA system - the cabinets had already been chosen when I joined the company but the amps, crossovers and all the acoustic bits are mine. As some have already noted, the amps were 3 off Quad 303 amps to give 100W each into 16 ohms. and the active crossover included peak-limiting compressors and differential outputs to each amp. Some members seem concerned that the grill-cloths might affect the performance of the acoustic lens on the mid/treble, but we carried out test-room performance evaluation and could see no difference. The PA's were designed especially for touring type applications and the carpet covering was an industrial-grade flooring material which proved very tough, and some systems lasted for many years hard life on the road while still looking OK. Unlike the traditional black-vinyl with chrome corners, which soon looked very tatty once they had been lugged around a few hundred road miles in a van.

We also found that vandalising was a problem with live-performance set-ups and the grill cloths helped to protect against the odd knife attack!

we also made a 100W full-range monitor, about the size of a 4-drawer file cabinet, also using Quad 303, one-off this time again with active crossover, compressors etc. This time the bass speaker was fully horn loaded rather than the hybrid front/rear-horn loading of the bigger PA's. Amongst other performances using these was a concert by John Williams (guitarist) at the Royal Albert Hall that I was at.

If you go to https://www.electroprops.co.uk/92/Cases-flightcases-technical-tool-cases/Large-period-20-channel-audio-mixer-for-touringstudio-1960s-1970s-P2079.html you will see one of our mixers - came in any multiple of 5 channels up to 25 channels. Again the emphasis on toughness and any-gear compatibility. All my design this one.

Groups using our gear included Yes, Paul McCartney and Wings, New York Dolls, Hawkwind, Hollywood, Blue, Thin Lizzie, Black Sabbath etc etc

Since then I have worked in a variety of fields (Aircraft flight computers, intrinsically safe gas detectors, electronic aids for the disabled, missile interceptors, high-speed memory systems, automatic traffic-light controllers) before settling back into audio in the form of sonar and ultrasound imaging systems, with frequencies ranging from 25Hz to 10MHz, and powers from 5W per channel (up to 256 channels at a time) to 60kW per channel. Nothing like a bit of variety!
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oh - and maybe the first PA covered in carpet!!!
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Guys - the RSE 600 system was 2 bass 15in (not sure but poss JBL D or K series) and te top box with the badly boxed lens. It was boxed that way to protect the lens in transit.

I remeber the Alex Harvey band having a rig. Sounded good.

Amps were quad 303's running in bridge mode - 100w at 8 ohms per amp.

Dont remember the mixer.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hifidelity Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 July 2014 at 7:57am
thanks - interesting. But not actually an amp I know/remember/want, as Paulus's RSE system came with quite a different set up. It was 2 grey carpeted boxes each with 3 bridged quad 303's in them, along with an RSE custom electronic crossover and limiter in each that was innovation beyond belief in its day. Most of those are long gone as people broke them down for the quads which where instantly useable in other ways - and generally looked pretty fine because they had spent there working years bolted inside these carpeted boxes. You can imagine how much each weighed! anyway thanks 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SMP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 January 2014 at 4:20am
2 stacks of RSE ran in the "Red Lion" in Brentford for years on 5 Quad 50E's a side in a riser underneath which were similar to 303 but had TX output so could be connected in series to a variety of loads. this IIRC was the std amps used due to the ease of use and not requiring "Bridging" just series connections each did 50W rms so 2 just doubled the Voltage or 3 etc till you got the power you needed with all being fed a parallel signal. The Red Lion a long running Rock n Roll venue characterised by all the London Road Rats "Hogs" parked outside rather than them playing in the venue as you would find today I actually played on that system a few times just before it became an ordinary pub and is now McDonalds
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There is an amp on eBay the now.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote paulus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 December 2013 at 11:06pm
have the accustic lenes here loaded with jbl 2" comp and a black one 351 think its called, could prb get the scoops back as my mate has them in his pub with fane colossus 400s in and sound lovly
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Hey Paulus, 
don't spose you've still got any of this RSE system left you want to sell have you?

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The old Dingwalls in Camden had a stack a side banging away for years as I remember,Lizzy had aload and didn't Macca have a load that tipped over en-route one time...and the guy that designed it was a boffin who turned his hand to the moving posture bed for hospitals..or something...!
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